NEO Nyzul 2.0

[saevel]

First of all, prove it. Second of all "amazing" groups are an aberration. Content shouldn't be created with exceptionally good or exceptionally bad players in mind. If Harry Hardcore finds it too easy, Durwood McDerpington III finds it too hard, and the majority of players finds it just right then you have a well balanced event. This isn't it.

You may just have to accept being in the "Too Good For Your Own Good" category. Congratulations for being there. Take some pride in that Just don't act like anything should revolve around your ability, or that someone who isn't as good as you is inferior to you. There's a big difference.

No such thing as "amazing groups". Neo Nyzule is just old Nyzule with floors resetting and a random jump, mechanic wise there is nothing new to it. This event was never "hard" just random as hell. What Fupa means is that groups who use the basic hacks can get 50% clear and any additional TPAs further enhance that win rate.

The people getting the gear don't want it changed. As is it's a very exclusive system, only those willing to do "what needs to be done" will be walking around PJ with Neo-Nyzule 100 gear. And with the majority of players not knowing about BG nor the "super secret ninja techniques" enshrined within, this makes that gear exclusive to them. It's what they've been asking for all this time, content just hard enough that only they (with ninja techniques) can beat it, but too hard for all the other scrubs to beat. SE changes it and one of two things happens, either the gear becomes just as hard for those with "ninja techniques" to obtain, or the gear becomes just as easy for those without "ninja techniques" to obtain. The prospect of the first one has them all getting 15/15 ASAP before any changes can be made, the second has people pissed because their gear is no longer exclusive and bragging rights.

[Benihana]

im all for mass bannings on nyzul ala salvage! but u people are delusional if u think u cannot win w.o tools.

PLENTY of people are winning 100 at a decent(25% or higher) without tools.

IM SO SORRY THERES CONTENT THAT REQUIRES A LEVEL OF SKILL AND FOCUS YOU JUST DONT HAVE AND IM SOP SORRY THE REWARDS ARE JUSTIFIED FOR AN INCREDIBLY RANDOM/LUCK BASED/DIFFICULT EVENT AND YOU CANT HAVE EVERYTHING!

Nothing is morelaughable to me than some players who think all gear should be so easy for them to get. Noobs didnt deserve salvage gear, they didnt deserve hnm gear (could use best tool u could buy but a noob group still raged fafnir) and noobs dont deserve neo nyzul gear.

If u cant gear swap, bring appropriate meds, focus hard, have great to amazing gear setups, know your stuff and be on the move,YOU DO NOT DESERVE THIS GEAR. Period, get over it. I'm in the opinion that the only people who truly want neo nyzul gear, work at it and keep at it and have what it takes to attempt and conquerer this event.

Not everyone who wins this is a cheater and not everyone who loses it doesn't have what it takes. It's a luck based event, but you have to be good and keep at it.

Some of you just do not have what it takes, and it's not cause you don't resort to cheating., It's cause you would rather complain and give up, then try. The same people who are complaining, more than likely have never done neo nyzul isle at all, and thats a fact.

In short, theres laays going to be people with better gear than you, deal with it. Thats ffxi. Not everyone has the same stuff. The idea that your entitled to it, is extremely laughable.

[Byrth]

^ This is not what most of the people who post on BG and in this thread sound like ^

Fact of the matter is that "ninja techniques" do dramatically increase your success rate. If you are going with less than a perfect setup, no voice communication, no "ninja techniques", etc. then your success rate is probably so low that you're best off aiming for 80.

[Llana_Virren]

im all for mass bannings on nyzul ala salvage! but u people are delusional if u think u cannot win w.o tools.

PLENTY of people are winning 100 at a decent(25% or higher) without tools.

IM SO SORRY THERES CONTENT THAT REQUIRES A LEVEL OF SKILL AND FOCUS YOU JUST DONT HAVE AND IM SOP SORRY THE REWARDS ARE JUSTIFIED FOR AN INCREDIBLY RANDOM/LUCK BASED/DIFFICULT EVENT AND YOU CANT HAVE EVERYTHING!

Nothing is morelaughable to me than some players who think all gear should be so easy for them to get. Noobs didnt deserve salvage gear, they didnt deserve hnm gear (could use best tool u could buy but a noob group still raged fafnir) and noobs dont deserve neo nyzul gear.

If u cant gear swap, bring appropriate meds, focus hard, have great to amazing gear setups, know your stuff and be on the move,YOU DO NOT DESERVE THIS GEAR. Period, get over it. I'm in the opinion that the only people who truly want neo nyzul gear, work at it and keep at it and have what it takes to attempt and conquerer this event.
Not everyone who wins this is a cheater and not everyone who loses it doesn't have what it takes. It's a luck based event, but you have to be good and keep at it.

Some of you just do not have what it takes, and it's not cause you don't resort to cheating., It's cause you would rather complain and give up, then try. The same people who are complaining, more than likely have never done neo nyzul isle at all, and thats a fact.

In short, theres laays going to be people with better gear than you, deal with it. Thats ffxi. Not everyone has the same stuff. The idea that your entitled to it, is extremely laughable.

The issue is that even WITH those things, that accounts for 20% of the chance you'll finish 100. The other 80% comes from luck and luck alone.

[Mittenz]

^ This is not what most of the people who post on BG and in this thread sound like ^

Fact of the matter is that "ninja techniques" do dramatically increase your success rate. If you are going with less than a perfect setup, no voice communication, no "ninja techniques", etc. then your success rate is probably so low that you're best off aiming for 80.

I would like to point out that SE said that 60 or 80 should be what you expect and 100 would be a risk

If all you do is aim for 100 I do agree with the post by the person (though not as much in a jerk way) for this to be even imaginable you need to bring your A game, and no I don't mean these ninja techniques. Voice chat is widely used you can Skype and ventrillo for free (I know some don't like this idea but let's face it with the new ui stuff coming its clear they don't give a toss about consoles anymore) the key to this event is first and foremost communication and typing won't cut it. Proper playing (gear swaps optimal gear not just perle and proper setups ie no smn pup bst) the floor 100 may seem unrealistic unless you go in prepared for it. If you are not carrying remedies holy waters echoes if you are not saying what direction your going if your not Recieving the proper buffs your going to fail.

Realistically shoot for 80 unless your going in with your a team and a game because if it was as easy as the first nyzul the gear would probably be adjusted to be as useful then no one will be doing this event and then it's useless to everyone lucky or not.

[Demon6324236]

I would like to point out that SE said that 60 or 80 should be what you expect and 100 would be a risk

If all you do is aim for 100 I do agree with the post by the person (though not as much in a jerk way) for this to be even imaginable you need to bring your A game, and no I don't mean these ninja techniques. Voice chat is widely used you can Skype and ventrillo for free (I know some don't like this idea but let's face it with the new ui stuff coming its clear they don't give a toss about consoles anymore) the key to this event is first and foremost communication and typing won't cut it. Proper playing (gear swaps optimal gear not just perle and proper setups ie no smn pup bst

If they didn't care, they would drop PS2, possibly add PS3, reform the games graphics a bit, redo the game somewhat like with idk, the game that was/is FFXIV? And we could have our FFXI 2.0 as well, this is the one Final Fantasy game that exists where once its gone, its gone, its majestic world will never be returned to, however they rather pour more money into a world we have seen crumble already, in hopes to rebuild it but better. FFXI was left for dead with a small team, small choices, and an extremely large reliance on time sinks to give it life until they pull its plug for hopes FFXIV will take off.

[Fupafighter]

If a great group with no hacks has a 20% win rate, thats 1 piece every FIVE days. That's 2.5 HOURS a week to get AMAZING gear. I personally wouldn't F-in care if I had a win rate of 5-10%...that's still freaking great reward for time/effort. Get over it. Stop trying to bring nin thf pup and crap to neo nyzle. If your group can't clear the content, you probably shouldn't be aiming for neo nyzle gear, and you should be aiming to better yourself and then try again. The event is perfect. Yeah order floors are a great @($@ blocker....just try again the next day. It's only 30 minutes. No reason to be complaining this is still too hard. 2 SCH 4 heavy DD...that is all you need. And no, you may not be mediocre geared. You better be able to pump out ws of 3k consistantly, or you're doing it wrong. This is getting exhausting hearing everyone call this event hard... or too luck based. Flat out, it has great reward/effort ratio.

[Demon6324236]

If a great group with no hacks has a 20% win rate, thats 1 piece every FIVE days. That's 2.5 HOURS a week to get AMAZING gear. I personally wouldn't F-in care if I had a win rate of 5-10%...that's still freaking great reward for time/effort. Get over it. Stop trying to bring nin thf pup and crap to neo nyzle. If your group can't clear the content, you probably shouldn't be aiming for neo nyzle gear, and you should be aiming to better yourself and then try again. The event is perfect. Yeah order floors are a great @($@ blocker....just try again the next day. It's only 30 minutes. No reason to be complaining this is still too hard. 2 SCH 4 heavy DD...that is all you need. And no, you may not be mediocre geared. You better be able to pump out ws of 3k consistantly, or you're doing it wrong. This is getting exhausting hearing everyone call this event hard... or too luck based. Flat out, it has great reward/effort ratio.

And its getting exhausting hearing its not too luck based, it is, simple, luck on what floors are, luck on what spawns on said floors, luck what jumps you get, luck effects what amount of things you have to kill, luck basically rules it, kill speed, teamwork, many things do help, but they do not fix it as you think. If you have to kill 5 soulflayers that are spread out and take 5 minutes to kill, yes, your fucked, not only are they a bitch to deal with already but when they are all spread out, you can easily take much to long to do things. If some do it, cool, you can do it, luck still matters alot, to much for me to call it "balanced" because of that luck dependence.

[Fupafighter]

Yes....so is everything newer in FFXI at the moment. You could get a free floor after the soulflayer and a specified enemy after that floor and rebound from a shitty soulflayer floor too btw...the run isn't automatically over. Just shut up and enjoy the fact that it's easy and not that time consuming. It took me like 220 kills to get toci, I consider this a $$#%# gift.

[user201108211515]

I’d like to put the two different Nyzul challenges into perspective a bit.

The original Nyzul was a lot easier to clear, but the drop rates were not very high. On top of the drop rate, you would only get one piece of equipment as well, which could possibly be something different than what you were after.

The new Nyzul might be a bit more difficult to reach floor 100, but if you are able to successfully get there and defeat the boss, each party member has a 100% guaranteed item, and what’s even better is that you can select the item of your choice.

Based on the above, though it might be more challenging to reach the higher floors, when you get there you will definitely be rewarded.

On a separate note, it seems like some players are finding the lamp floors to be the most troublesome. I would be happy to submit any suggestions you have for improving this aspect of Nyzul, so please list them out and I will talk to the development team about them.

seriously.. a "rep" posts here but sayn not 1 word about people cheating... or about the people admiting to cheating in this thread. This is a complete joke. Way to have 0 intergrity SE. Way to let people know its ok to cheat.