NEO Nyzul 2.0

[wish12oz]

I don't think you constumer are going to forgive you this one.

The best part about this thread is that pchan is arguing against cheating and third party tools with a holier than thou attitude. But then if you follow the link in his sig about pDIF, you can see he gathered a lot of data for the things he said there, using a third party tool called a parser, which requires using windower to use. Hypocrite much?

I like your math but it doesnt support the facts, and the facts are NIUR is much more random.

That's right, its really random, but the average will be what the math says. Stop argueing against the idea of averages, you're just making yourself look foolish.

He's factoring in the TPA / hacks when he says ". If you're not horrible at this game, 16-17 floor average is pretty easy to accomplish".

Actually I'm not, hackers can do 25+ floors easy, and basically have a 100% win rate. 16-17 is where decent not hacking groups fall. Learn to read the things I say before you comment on them.

16 floors is 112 seconds per floor, not accounting for lobby time nor for the floor 100 boss battle. 17 floors is 105 seconds average, 18 floors is 99s.

A minute and a half is a LONG TIME. It's very easy to have an average floor clear time in this range.

What dramatically cuts down on the floor clear time is knowing the exact order of the lamps,

Order floors don't actually happen all that often, for me it was 1 order floor every other run. Stop complaining about them like they happen 3-4 times every run and instantly make you lose. Use skype/vent/whatever and you'll be fine.

knowing which enemy is the enemy leader or specific enemy, and knowing all this from the floor entry point. Being able to see exactly where that enemy leader / specific enemy is or where the lamps are from the very beginning is what allows you to clear so many floors so fast. It removes the random floor layout and the wasted time spent searching in far away corners.

Ap radar is cheating and I agree with you, but its not required to reach the 16-17 floor average.

Its exactly how those people got so many Nyzule Isle 100 items. Double embrava, double body boosts and movement *gear* *cough* are all well and good, but none of them provide the advantage that removing the unknown does.

You're retarded if you think everyone with nyzul f100 gear cheats. Did you not see the video I posted of the JP who doesnt cheat and is terrible and has a bunch of it and wins nyzul in under 20 min?

A group of 6 well geared skilled players, all on XBOX's might make it to 100 occasionally,

Which is the way SE designed it to be, occasionally, time sinks, stuff to keep doing, etc. Cheats give you a 100% win rate, they're not required to win.

given their lucky enough with floor jumps to only need to clear 13~14 floors, a little over 2min average per floor, which is entirety possible.

Do you even know what an average is? 13-14 floors per run is where full perle DDs get. You should work on your other gear, your groups gear, and your ability to work together if you can only get 13 floors.

This event was designed for players to farm floor 60 and 80 for gear, and to use floor 100 as the carrot to keep you playing.

It was designed so competent players who are good at FFXI could get 100 gear, and scrubs would be locked out of it. Unfortunatly SE is bad at implementing this sort of content as cheaters always have a huge advantage. It's no different than kings before Abyssea.

[Monchat]

The best part about this thread is that pchan is arguing against cheating and third party tools with a holier than thou attitude. But then if you follow the link in his sig about pDIF, you can see he gathered a lot of data for the things he said there, using a third party tool called a parser, which requires using windower to use. Hypocrite much?
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the best part about your posts is that you cant read?

[Gokku]

wish just gonna state 25 floors is pretty damn hard to pull even with cheats, most close wins we have are either in the 20-22 range or 19-20 with shit floors. but even then there are some run killer floors like, mamool boss with 4 2handed DDs and WS's locked on the floor as he spams status fuckga = run killer , or more 1 mindpurge soulfucker floor , or just shitty shitty gangbang floors.

shit happens even the best groups are at about 70ish% clear rate total.

the 2nd biggest issue with NI2.0 is it has almost 0 replay value, if they added linen pouches as a turn in for plat's my static would be kicking down doors to get people to log in for runs, but as it stands now we got our gear got our ls members some gear and havent gone back.

[Camiie]

Which is the way SE designed it to be, occasionally, time sinks, stuff to keep doing, etc.

Working as intended doesn't make it right. I don't know about anyone else, but it's not only the implementation I have issues with. It's the intentions.

It was designed so competent players who are good at FFXI could get 100 gear, and scrubs would be locked out of it.

It seems like one has to be a bit more than simply competent to clear this content. Really what is the measuring stick to get to floor 100 on as consistent a basis as possible without cheats? I know you say "clear floors in X seconds and jump up Y floors at a time." Where's the gear threshold? What do I NEED to be ready? Where does Neo-Nyzul 100 stand in the FFXI progression? Does it come after Abyssea? VW? Legion? What level R/M/E do I need if any? Hopefully you'll offer more than "just don't suck." Sadly too many people respond that way and it makes it harder for the rest of us to step up to where we want to be.

Unfortunately SE is bad at implementing this sort of content as cheaters always have a huge advantage. It's no different than kings before Abyssea.

Truer words were never spoken.

[Chimerawizard]

It seems like one has to be a bit more than simply competent to clear this content. Really what is the measuring stick to get to floor 100 on as consistent a basis as possible without cheats? I know you say "clear floors in X seconds and jump up Y floors at a time." Where's the gear threshold? What do I NEED to be ready? Where does Neo-Nyzul 100 stand in the FFXI progression? Does it come after Abyssea? VW? Legion? What level R/M/E do I need if any? Hopefully you'll offer more than "just don't suck." Sadly too many people respond that way and it makes it harder for the rest of us to step up to where we want to be.

I don't think it was ever meant to be cleared on a consistent basis, unless by consistant you mean 1-3x a week IE they want you to NOT get to floor 100 every time or even 1/2 the time for that matter. Why do you think they added the KI you get to exchange for a piece of gear EVERY time you actually clear f100?

As for weapons, friends who do it have (relic99/empy90-99)DDx4, 2sch's. they had a good win rate though and have gotten all f100 items now.
progression: after abyssea & VW, no one has done enough Legion to get any killer augment hexed gear so definately not after that.

[saevel]

It seems like one has to be a bit more than simply competent to clear this content. Really what is the measuring stick to get to floor 100 on as consistent a basis as possible without cheats?

The "measuring stick" is you read BG web forums and follow their guides on how to modify your client. The content is designed to not be cleared except in exceeding rate circumstances (lucky jumps and floors). BGers have discovered a way around SE's RNG based difficulty, they maximize their floor count by minimizing the time per floor. They do that by removing the unknown element so that you can immediately clear the floor the moment you enter it rather then running around looking for lamps / that single ITG monster in the pack with the same name as the rest.

This content is not gear biased, you can have the absolute best gear and be amazingly *skilled* *cough* yet be on 360's and not have a snowballs chance in hell of seeing floor 100. Not to say it's impossible, but you'll fail 8~10 times for every time you succeed. Yet a group of weenies who've modified their client can get a 25~30% clear rate. If their experienced in nyzule runs then they can get a 50% clear rate. If their experienced and use TPAs they can get a 80%+ clear rate.

[wish12oz]

wish just gonna state 25 floors is pretty damn hard to pull.

My record is 28 before winning. w

It seems like one has to be a bit more than simply competent to clear this content. Really what is the measuring stick to get to floor 100 on as consistent a basis as possible without cheats?

My group was 2x SCH 2x WAR and whoever in my LS/friends list wanted to come fill in the last 2 slots. We had COR, SAM, BLU, MNK, THF, DNC lots of random different stuff in the last spots.
SCHs had 480~ enhancing skill (this is actually gimp, 500 is what you should have, lol)
WARs had this: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/217122 first 2 runs.
WS sets starting run 2, Avant legs+1 though: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/217120 and slightly different stuff for fell cleave.
my TP set starting run 3: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/254511
other WAR starting run 3: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/255456 cause Valk body is hard to get, but she has it now, so its all good.
Other people didn't matter cause we didn't really need them honestly.

EDIT: Oh, my Ukon was 99, other WARs was 90.

This content is not gear biased, you can have the absolute best gear and be amazingly *skilled* *cough* yet be on 360's and not have a snowballs chance in hell of seeing floor 100. Not to say it's impossible, but you'll fail 8~10 times for every time you succeed.

Failing 8-10 times for every time you succeed is still fine, thats a better 'gearing up' rate than if you did old kings+salvage+einherjar every chance you could with an LS at 75. At this point, admitting you could win 10% of time, and continuing to complain is counter productive for you. You could be 15/15 by the time it gets changed, even if SE announced they were going to change it today.

And yes, it's gear based. Better gear = better kill speed = higher average floor jump per run. Even voice chat increases floor jumps by at least 1. Everything you can do to increase the average amount of floors you can clear per run with this event will help tremendously. Skipping any 1 thing will hurt you as a group. For instance, you should make sure everyone has run speed shoes, and knows how to put them on/take them off to remove engaging/disengaging animation, as that is also a huge time saver, and this is just 1 example outside the norm of 'hitting harder' where having good gear really helps.

maximize floor count by minimizing the time per floor.

This is how you win.
Whatever means you deem acceptable to accomplish this goal is on you, I dont really care either way. I'm just pointing out its entirely possible to do it without any cheats, I even did it with bad jobs a few times. Cheating just makes you finish faster at the risk of your account. Without cheating the best groups will still have a 30-50% win rate, and decent groups will have a 10-30% win rate. If your group can't hack it, read the BG thread, and ask for advise, it's really not hard once you have decent gear and learn a lot of the tricks for reducing time on floors, like leaving a SCH at the rune, using fell cleave, double body boost+regen+phalanx so no one needs healing, run fast shoes and the ability to macro them on/off to remove engage/disengage animation, setting specific lamp orders before entering, using voice chat programs, using good attack food, etc. Everything you can do to decrease your time spent on floors is useful, even if its only 1 second.

[MarkovChain]

a parser, which requires using windower to use. Hypocrite much?

No you can even run a parser on the Test server, lol...

[wish12oz]

No you can even run a parser on the Test server, lol...

So you're admitting to using a third party program now? Thats not much of a denial on your part.

[MarkovChain]

Yeah I admit watching youtube while playing FFXI, is that a problem ? Go back to clearing 28 floor without cheat moron. Are the devs that naive ?