Legion still sucks.

[Mahoro]

Its an issue because SE keeps pointing to those two items as if they are capable of defining the event, even though Provanence Watcher drops them and takes far less trouble to do battle with. If you aren't a WHM or BLM the primary motivator is completely worthless to you yet this is somehow going to drive interest? How?

I meant why is the utility/non-utility of Arise and Meteor even an issue. Was talking about the people debating the merits of the scrolls themselves.

[Alhanelem]

I rarely agree with Pchan and co. but in this situation he is actually in the right.

He's really not in the right. Meteor is good enough to be used. Legion for one, doesn't have procs (thank god), so once you have it, I could see it being used. Buuuut....

Given the rarity of the spell, finding 6 Meteor capable BLMs would be a quest in itself.

This is the only problem, and this point is one I agree with. You make a spell that requires multiple players to be useful, then you go and make the spell so rare that finding people who have it in order to use it is so hard it becomes not useable.

those two spells only offer incentive to WHMs and BLMs.

I agree with this as well. They could have at least come up with some rare spells for every other job with MP. Holyga or Ultima for PLD maybe? Reflect for RDM?

In short I don't agree with your comments about the spells themselves, they're good spells. I do agree with some of your other points.

[Monchat]

Because BLMs would never do ANYTHING AT ALL between meteor casts.

Do you realize just how strong a 6 man meteor is? It can do massive damage even to NMs. It's totally worth having in the rare and unlikely event you can actually find 6 people who have the spell.

ok they will cast other spell inbetween. You d not know that BLM is a weak DD job? even if they were casting spells non stop they are limited by their MP, unlike DDs. So i correct myself and 6 DDS will do 7x more damage than 6 BLM and not 10x.

[Monchat]

He's really not in the right. Meteor is good enough to be used. Legion for one, doesn't have procs (thank god), so once you have it, I could see it being used. Buuuut....

This is the only problem, and this point is one I agree with. You make a spell that requires multiple players to be useful, then you go and make the spell so rare that finding people who have it in order to use it is so hard it becomes not useable.

I agree with this as well. They could have at least come up with some rare spells for every other job with MP. Holyga or Ultima for PLD maybe? Reflect for RDM?

In short I don't agree with your comments about the spells themselves, they're good spells. I do agree with some of your other points.

i would have beem happy with banish 4/5 and banishga4/5 but they somehow think those spell would be broken.... So intead they give you a useless and unattainable spell for most.

[Byrth]

If you had a group of four good BLMs (which is probably about as many as you'd bring to Legion), it would be worth group-casting Meteor every time Manawell and ES were up. That's every 10 minutes. The related problems are:
1) Finding four good BLMs
2) with Meteor
3) for the only event in the game that tolerates bringing four BLMs.

...And even then, the damage isn't going to be that much better than four individual Thundajas that take no coordination. I love the Meteor mechanic. It looks awesome on the test server. Low drop rate and lack of events that call for it make it somewhat useless, though.

[Insaniac]

In 36 man legion a full meteor party would be pretty neat. CORs could random deal JAs back so you would just have to wait 5 minutes on the resistance to wear instead of 10 minutes unless you are only hitting one mob in which case you can just go again right away on a different target. Doesn't really matter though because 36 person legion is not gonna happen and you need all your extra slots for SMNs in 18 person.

[Tamoa]

1. I'm actually questioning why we can enter Legion with as few as 3 (or was it 6?) people. What's the point in that?

2. Personally I would never join a Legion shout group. Simply because the event is too difficult to risk going with people I don't know - I don't know what they are capable of, how well geared they are etc. Bad players are likely to cost the group the win. So basically, in my opinion Legion isn't pickup friendly at all, unlike voidwatch. Even moreso because we don't have the atmacite/temp items crutch to rely on. And as it is, my ls is struggling to gather 18 people - we do have more than 18 members but we are in all kinds of different timezones (JP, EU, PST, MST and EST), people work/study etc - all this makes it hard to gather 18 members and we usually have to rely on mule characters being brought too.

3. And yes, then there's the rewards. While I - with whm as one of my main jobs - do want Arise, I manage just fine without it. It would definitely be a trophy, nothing else, and I'd never ever buy the scroll for the ridiculous price I see it being bazaared for. Same goes for Meteor. As for the rest of the rewards? Only thing I really want is a Fulad-Zereh, and considering how unpopular and difficult Legion is, I know I will never get one.

[Alhanelem]

1. I'm actually questioning why we can enter Legion with as few as 3 (or was it 6?) people. What's the point in that?

If you're pro enough you could kill one or two NMs with a small group to get some legion points or terrible drops.

[MarkovChain]

only stupid people buy either scrolls for double digit milions s.

What? Don't you gimps know that 10 millions of today is one million of yesterday. If I wanted I could buy meteor (25M in bazars..) and arise. Thing is they are worthless. I mean 3 min weakness so what ? When will that be useful ? If at least it was aoe then you could say it's usefull on a wipe, but no. They are worth getting if you find them at the AH or in bazar for 10-20 M but honestly, doing provenance just for them is no worth anyone's time, and after seeing the devs post, they are seriously considering that it worth doing Legion over and over against unkillable mobs for a chance at them. Man... Legion drops are about as garbage as voidwatch, the difference is that VW provide riftcinder/dross/plates which lots of people are needing to get something that is ACTUALLY good, aka the best weapons in the game. If at least VW was the same as einherjar was at 75 : an alternative way to get drops from other events.

Idk ? Let the hnms drop stuff like marrow/scoria/Nyzul gear and maybe we will care to ettempt to perfect defense zerk it ¿

[Alhanelem]

What? Don't you gimps know that 10 millions of today is one million of yesterday.

That's wrong, there was a time several years ago before gil sellers got their butts kicked that the economy was more inflated than it is now. Dynamis currencies were up to 30k or more for bronze and kclubs were in the hundreds of millions. Even that wasn't an inflation of 10x what the norm was prior.