NEO Nyzul 2.0

[MarkovChain]

I think it is very possible to win this event without cheats, if it wasn't, I don't think SE would have released it.

Even though initially they didn't allow stoppers ? Yeah they have totally no clue of what they are doing, legion is more proof of this. I swear nobody is doing legion or Nyzul and that's all they achieved year. At least you have to admit that in both cases the first release was plainly impossible.

We managed to completely change their mind about VW tickets ( tickets being r/e never came to their mind as being stupid, yet everyone pretty much agreed to this). Just have to complain more because everyone but a few cheaters (and we do know where they come from) that worry about their status gear is aknowledging the problem.

[Demon6324236]

Even though initially they didn't allow stoppers ? Yeah they have totally no clue of what they are doing, legion is more proof of this. I swear nobody is doing legion or Nyzul and that's all they achieved year. At least you have to admit that in both cases the first release was plainly impossible.

We managed to completely change their mind about VW tickets ( tickets being r/e never came to their mind as being stupid, yet everyone pretty much agreed to this). Just have to complain more because everyone but a few cheaters (and we do know where they come from) that worry about their status gear is aknowledging the problem.

What they did "solve" one of many problems we have with VW, and listened to 1 problem they had with NNI, neither actually fixes these 2 things, they are simply small adjustments they think will shut us up. Seems it worked in some cases, people seem happier tickets were "fixed" still doesn't help people after Athos, Rubeus, or the Ogier sets. Also doesn't help anyone with any part of their gear that DOESN'T glow. Nyzul they fixed some, yes, but still people complain, and still some do think its impossible. Point being they don't actually have this fixed... They only fix some of it. I also said SE wasn't being smart, they are killing the game making them more money, how is that in any way a good idea? You don't stop a good product or degrade it so that people will start picking up your other products, thats just stupid. I understand SE is messing everything up, I'm also saying their ignorance of the player base isn't helping them. I only say they wouldn't release content that is impossible to beat because with all the things they do now to give us power, I have to think we are doing something wrong.

For instance of this, how they broke VW. Enmity is where I have to think VW was broken. They don't want to change Enmity, so the tank, cant tank, so others have to tank, mobs hit to hard for the DDs to live, so they need temps. Temps will not last forever, so they need to add a way to recharge, procs in abyssea helped drops, use that as a reason for both, now you have temp refills & extra drop rates. You now have VW, this is what it is, any DD can tank, you use temps to live off of, and tada, its done. This is in my mind how VW went from normal battles against large NMs that were hard, into a TP/proc/temp spam that it is today.

On NNI, they looked at the old Nyzul, how can we make this harder?
Lets make them have to climb more than before with less stooping points.
No, thats to simple to call new, because they can already do 10-15 floors at a time now. Maybe we can make the mobs harder?
We cant do that though, then we have to add temps for people to live, and then things get to messy live VW did, and we know how much we get yelled at for that.
Maybe make them not have to stop, they have to do it all in 1 go.
Are you insane?!
Nah, just make it so they can hit a random button.
Random button? You mean like all the luck we had setup in VW?
Exactly, make it so they have to get lucky to hit good floors, like they did to get good gear. Then we can keep them playing longer too because of all the luck involved!
That... is brilliant!

And thus, NNI was born.



Obviously not exactly what happened, but seems like how it went to me, they couldn't really make new content so they make old content new again by painting it a different color, giving a new button, and taking away everything that made it doable in the first place.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Enmity was broken at 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, and 99. This is nothing new when it comes to enmity.

[Demon6324236]

Enmity was broken at 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, and 99. This is nothing new when it comes to enmity.

No but at abyssea stages we could live through the evil attacks of mobs hitting us for 300+ tank or not. Outside of abyssea, we get hit hard, and fast, you can easily be 1shot by some VWNMs if your without PDT/MDT gear. My point was coming out of abyssea it was more apparent that enmity would not save a party of DDs from the attacks dealing way to much damage. A PLD with Aegis or Ochain can survive nicely on them, however past that, you die.

My idea is just they went from the idea of the tank, tanking, to everything tanking, because they final noticed after all this time, tanking via enmity, isn't working anymore, because they fucked it up. Tanking via fantatics, works, and works better for them to be lazy on the enmity system in the end as well. Why fix PLD, when you can just make everything that can pop out nice numbers of damage tank, and let the PLD hold the pets.

[MarkovChain]

Tanking via enmity has never worked >_>.

[user201108211515]

I'm pretty sure sakima uses spell cast so to say hes not 3rd pt tools his way through NNI.. is not a stretch... But I do know for a fact people in his LS are hacking it.

I was in a run with his #2 sac holder watchn him speed hack, spot leader mobs from the rune when we pop up. calln out lamp orders.

So dont let his leet attitude fool you. He migh not personally be cheating nni but the people he groups with prolly are.

People love to deny reality because its "just a game"

The reality is. 98% of anyone with more then 1-2 floor 100 gear cheated or leeched off cheaters to do so.

All we can do as real players that dont cheat... Complain. File reports with special task force daily. Do not let SE think they can ignore us. Do not let the cheaters win.

Eventually SE will have to ban thease people like they did to the salvage dupers or else lose the respect and $ of the actual people that are keeping this game alive.

And bad news for the people "not cheating" but leeching off cheaters.

I knew people that never got salvage gear but got baned because they were in salvage runs where gear was duped.

Its over due though. The server trash has been piling up for a while now.

Time to take out the trash SE.

choco blinking to buy relics in 2 weeks

fish bot heaven in beaucedine

and now a brand new event as some sort of reward for the players that suck at the game and have to play on easy mode.

SE has things very backwards atm and its our job as real players to let them know they are making mistakes. Otherwise they wont care to do anything.

I dont think the event needs to be changed beyond requiring 2 schs or its a loss. Or 2 low floor jumps = no chance for floor 100.

The real issue is how people dont want to try unless they have hacks in some way.

Or more to the point.. the real problem with this game has always been PC players and how 98% of them refuse to play the game by the rules. May be they dont care cauz its "just a game" or just suck at this easy game but for what ever reason they feel the need to ruin the game in every way they can. They do not deserve to be here if they only wish to hurt the game in the long run.

Remove PC support and like magic the problem with cheaters will be a non issue.

Even PC only servers would be nice. Then they can have all the fun in the world being on even ground with all the other people that have to play on easy mode.

The game is going to die if the "best" players are all cheating.

With out rules to follow and put limitations on people. We have no drive to do better. It will be pointless to play when they are all the same toons with the same gear using the same 3rd pt tools.

What a weak game to play.

Thats why PC players are and have always been a joke to the people that play by the rules. Cheating to win makes you good how?

[Gokku]

im not going to quote the above post but im going to respond to it with 0 trolling.

first off your an idiot. the main reason most pc users became cheaters is SE took what 5 years to release an widower? that's unacceptable. The definition of cheating in ffxi is anything other then vanilla full screen / windowed mode. now lets break down the most commonly used cheats.

Dat swaps: originally used to make some of the coolest and simple changes to the game , "sick of seeing destroyers" BOOM now ive got relic hth on and my pants make moogles fly out my ass. Effect on others : NONE bitch its only on my screen

Macros: fuck all this gear and only 6 lines and i have to hit 2-3 buttons to do anything... but wait windower macros 1 line fits all... holy shit they STILL haven't fixed that fucking issue after 10 years.
Effect on others: arguable, since it lets me play with all my gear and out preform others.

Plugins to windower:
chatmon: tells me when shit involving me happens if i stand up to piss "your being talked about" or "incoming tell" lets me know to check my log. Effect on others : NONE
Distance: Oh frogs charm @ 20yalms? thats cool se to bad a fucking yalms a made up term and you gave us no way of knowing it. yet again shit they should have added to the game day 1 if they are going to base gimics around it. Effect on others: bet your ass whms love not getting 1 shotted by AOE's.

the big cheats people are bitching about
lamp dat mods are no worse then the salvage mods that saved most salvage groups 5-15mins in ZR runs.
Flee botters: people are idiots and a decent amount got caught enough to get people to clear it without fleeing, and i can gladly state my group doesn't flee bot the shit.

Remove PC support and like magic the problem with cheaters will be a non issue.

i love how people are more focused on screwing the player base then idk FIXING THE GAME SO WE ARE ALL EQUAL
the things most people running even base windower are getting should have been in this game at least 7 years ago.

[Dragoy]

Remove PC support and like magic the problem with cheaters will be a non issue.

Best -- idea -- ever ! !! !

Or not. :b

It might not even be profitable at all to keep the game going without the PC-users.

I, for one, never cheated and I only play on PC. Heck, I never even tried 'windower', nor any 'parsers' and yes, I am aware that many would say I will never be able to really get the best possible results without them. That's why they are called cheats: they give an unfair advantage.

Either way, I honestly think that the consoles are much more of a problem than cheating PC-users. Every game has cheaters, it's just how it goes. It's up to the developers and maintainers of a game to take care of them, preferably without means that affect the actual players in negative ways (sadly, most often the do).
They could also, I don't know, implement features that the players are requesting for (such as simple things them cheats do allow, which don't exactly break the game and so on). Granted, they are doing quite a bit in the near-future, which is fer sure interesting and highly anticipated. It's perhaps a little too late, though, and they are very much able to disappoint beyond all expectations.

Point being: please don't stack every PC-user into the same pile with them cheaters. ^^;


As for Nyzul Isle Uncharted Region particularly, it is way too luck-based indeed, and obviously this is where cheating provides quite a noticeable advantage. Sure, it probably is not impossible to clear it without cheating, but seriously:

• time-sink/random != fun
• random/luck != challenge

There are many ways it could be made more fun, and challenging at the same time without all that amount of stupid.


Blubb!

[user201108211515]

I said 98% lol I have to hope a few good eggs are among the rotten bunch...

To the other guy...

lol he says he wont troll n the very next line he calls me an idot. priceless lol

Justify it all you want. But in "reality" not following the rules is by default cheating.

its funny though. You say you "out preform others" when in reality it is a program that plays the game for you that is so awesome. It has very little to do with you. The fact that hiting 2 macros is hard mode for you. Sounds like you fail at an easy game. You need a crutch. A way to make the game easier for you. Hiting 1 button VS 2.. Just wow.. Thats lots of skill to hit 1 button.. And soooo hard to hit 2 buttons. Get real. The fact is people that rely on 3rd pt tools to play do it because they have to. They couldnt ever get anywhere by the rules. If you had to rely on your actual skill to play the game by the rules. You would have quit the game already. So dont be mad at me cauz you cant cut it.

[Gokku]

I said 98% lol I have to hope a few good eggs are among the rotten bunch...

To the other guy...

lol he says he wont troll n the very next line he calls me an idot. priceless lol

Justify it all you want. But in "reality" not following the rules is by default cheating.

its funny though. You say you "out preform others" when in reality it is a program that plays the game for you that is so awesome. It has very little to do with you. The fact that hiting 2 macros is hard mode for you. Sounds like you fail at an easy game. You need a crutch. A way to make the game easier for you. Hiting 1 button VS 2.. Just wow.. Thats lots of skill to hit 1 button.. And soooo hard to hit 2 buttons. Get real. The fact is people that rely on 3rd pt tools to play do it because they have to. They couldnt ever get anywhere by the rules. If you had to rely on your actual skill to play the game by the rules. You would have quit the game already. So dont be mad at me cauz you cant cut it.

calling you an idiot does not make me a troll its a fact, your an idiot and have no idea what the hell your talking about. Also im far from mad , i have the gear its of no concern to me if you have or even get it, but i would love to see the player base as a whole move forward and succeeded at this event. were as you would rather crucify one aspect of the player base for your own convoluted reasoning. so that is why i state you are an idiot. your views are uneducated and your argument is counter productive.