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    Quote Originally Posted by Tashan View Post
    You are. I'm really not sure how you've come to this conclusion, but PLD does not have as many Evasion options as BLU.
    Just so you know, I hate people who won't take a hint. BLU and PLD evade about the same, that's a fact. I don't care how you gear BLU, or if it maintains DD capability while PLD doesn't if it gears for Evasion, who the fuck cares. I told you I wasn't interested in this discussion at all, I'm not even reading any of these posts. The fact is, you have to gear for Evasion and sacrifice other things for BLU to cap Evasion. Yes, you don't need to sacrifice nearly as much as on PLD, but again, I have no interest whatsoever in this discussion, I don't care how much you have to sacrifice or what trade-offs you have to consider and how it relates to whatever PLD has to do for it. The fact that you can't use a regular setup to just go in like you would on PLD as well and magically evade more somehow means that they evade about the same. Everything you do after that is just you setting an arbitrary line for which trade-offs are good and which aren't.

    And again, just to be very clear, I'm not defending saevel or trying to disprove anyone or partake in this discussion whatsoever, my intelligence was just offended by Neisan's ridiculous statement. I only checked this thread because it had a cool looking sword's name in the title. If I knew this was a BLU discussion, I wouldn't have even opened it at all because there is no job in this or any game that I could possibly care less about.
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    Wow didn't know you could equip two back pieces at once. Glad to know BLU got that JT somewhere.

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    Dude if you got

    AGI Shikargar = 27.5
    Aliyat Chakram = 9
    Oce Headpiece = 6.5
    Torero Torque = 9
    Brutal Earring
    Suppanomimi
    Athos's Tabard = 14.5
    Thaumas Gloves = 4
    Heed Ring = 3
    Rajas Ring
    Fugacity Mantle = 12.5
    Phasmida Belt = 6
    Thaumas Kecks = 4.5
    Athos's Boots = 7.5

    Haste = 25%
    Evasion = 104
    More power to you. And I hope everyone realizes two of those items are Nyzule 100 drops, one is from Rex which I don't even see /sh's for anymore. Your also giving up tons of DD stats to .. not ... give up ... DD .. stats but still ... give .. up DD .. stats.

    Plus somehow I ~HIGHLY~ doubt Neisan has anywhere near what has been posted so far. Seriously .. couple of Nyzule 100 drops, Phos Belt +1, double back mantles. In fact I'd wager gil that nobody who's posted so far has those sets and is just putting them together by searching FFXIAH.com for items with evasion on them. If you got two floor 100 drops already, or a Phos +1 belt, I think evasion in Dynamis is the least of your concerns. 104 was the off the cuff answer, 112 is the actual required amount to get what he said he parsed. So he would have to have MORE then what was stated on this page. Yeah ok.

    And this is all to avoid having to use a Sword with Cure +13% STR +13 MND +13 Cure Received +10%. Funnry part is...

    STR Shikagar
    DMG: 61 Delay 230 STR +11 Attack +22 (27.5 attack)
    Sanus
    DMG:60 Delay 228 STR +13 MND +13 cure~yada (6.5 attack)
    Difference is 21 attack.

    Monster accuracy is capped at 80% for regular monsters and most older NMs. Same with their evasion. It's one of the few game mechanics in FFXI that actually favors the player.

    And btw, my statement was
    Your saying you can get that quite easily while maintaining 25% haste and not crippling your damage? BS.
    I didn't realize people would immediately jump to some of the rarest items available to try to build that set in some vain attempt at e-thuggery.
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    Ocelomeh headpiece, ocelot gloves and pants, athos boots, blithe mantle, phasmida belt, torero torque, and aliyat chakram are "some of the rarest items available"? What game are you playing? A standard BLU evasion set for the average BLU won't contain any Nyzul Floor 100 gear, and none should ever contain a phos belt +1. The set that I provided sits at 25% haste with a capped evade rate on several tiers of content where you'd want to have evasion gear on to begin with. On that same content, losing some multiattack and STR will be inconsequential, as your damage will be more heavily split between spells and melee damage. The decrease is there to be sure, however needlessly tossing Shikargar for Sanus Ensis, since the cure potency is absolutely unnecessary, is ridiculous. I don't know how I can get through to you any clearer than this.
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    Where are you getting this monster accuracy/evasion caps at 80% from? I don't think you're using the right term here.
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    Also, most (if not all) mobs cap at 95% evasion, and their accuracy floors at 20%.

    Also worth noting that "I highly doubt any of the people posting here have this gear" is a fallacy. I have full Thaumas gear. I don't use the pants for evasion, however, only the gloves, and Ocelot hands are more than adequate for the role.
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    The one where your like to pretend to be a thug.

    Those are easy items, but the entire set hinges around things like Athos Tabard / Nzule 100 drops / HQ synths and so forth. I mean you guys are really digging and tossing every stat other then Haste / Evasion / AGI. Which is kinda fun to watch, the sheer amount of anger and venom going into this, like it's become some sort of personal crusade. For something that is so unnecessary and niche. And everyone but me is actually serious. It's like being surrounded by LARPers and cracking a joke.

    The operative words were "with a straight face".

    Anywho NQ doesn't have that, heck I believe no one here has all that ~yet~. On his parse Occulation blinks were being counted as miss's, I know because it just happened to me. Fought a sheep, it swung at me and hit shadows then hit me once before turning to my THF counterpart. Parse showed me evading 6 attacks, I didn't evade 6 attacks. Continued the run, got ~350 currency and 36 touch's, split the loot and going to bed.

    Ultimate point, Sanus has it's use's but isn't an all out DD weapon. It enhances BLU's healing potential which is considerable when properly geared. You won't be wearing it in Voidwatch or Legion, but might be using it when out with friends doing random stuff.
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    You don't need Athos Tabard or floor 100 gear for an evasion set, especially not for Dynamis. Try again sweetheart.

    And again, I have it all besides the Phos Belt, which shouldn't be in an EVA set to begin with. Sanus Ensis is still worthless in Dynamis even if you refuse to believe that Evasion is easily cappable on these monsters, as cure potency should never be a factor in Dynamis. I don't know what you want me to tell you, but that's all I've got.

    and if you really want to be difficult about it...

    http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7913/sdvabfdfd.png


    I fail to see what floor 100 gear has to do with evasion sets for Dynamis, however.
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    Last edited by Prothscar; 04-28-2012 at 07:35 AM.

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    I use Antares harness since I don't own Athos if I need evasion in the body slot, is that what you wanted to hear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prothscar View Post
    I don't have to find where you were wrong, because anyone with two brain cells to rub together to make a spark will realize why you're completely incorrect.
    Thanks for confirming my assumption.

    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    Monster accuracy is capped at 80% for regular monsters and most older NMs. Same with their evasion. It's one of the few game mechanics in FFXI that actually favors the player.
    Quote Originally Posted by Prothscar View Post
    Also, most (if not all) mobs cap at 95% evasion, and their accuracy floors at 20%.
    Accuracy low caps at 20% and high caps at 95%, both for players and monsters. That implies Evasion low caps at 5% and high caps at 80% (also for both players and monsters). Here's to being constructive.
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    That would be constructive if it was right.

    Monster Evasion Cap - 95%
    Player Evasion Cap - 80%

    Monster Accuracy Floor - 20%
    Player Accuracy Floor - 5%

    Feeding the troll etc. etc., but misinformation spreads quickly if it isn't nullified.

    You're also still failing to realize why BLU is naturally ahead of PLD for evasion. They added these cool things called job traits in the last update, and some cool stuff called magic. They've also got this awesome new stat called AGI that happens to appear en masse in BLU's TP set.
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