Voidwatch Final Chapter

[Fredjan]

Well, that post pretty much confirms Arise/Meteor coming from Legion as well then, undoubtedly from Hall of Mul in the final wave..."Extremely difficult to obtain" indeed.

Honestly, it's not going to matter for ages where it comes from. Lot against 17 people or 35...I'd rather take my chances doing Provenance Watcher and hoping to win a lot, and that didn't sound feasible. I'd wager Legion would have a higher drop rate due to how difficult it is, but that won't really matter, no one's even gotten that far yet.

I'm all for an increased drop rate of gear and abjurations in the final VW chapter, though.

[MarkovChain]

You don't get it. You're not always capping accuracy. When you actually NEED the accuracy, the ammo slot is a great place to sacrifice and toss in +10 from Mantis Eye. Just because YOU'RE not a good enough player to see the benefits of an accuracy build doesn't mean everyone is that short-sighted.

COR, PUP and RNG ... who knows, but BLU, DNC, and MNK all make use of Mantis Eye in accuracy builds.

Sushi / madrigal / wat is it ¿

The only way you don't cap on anything with the above buff is if you got like minimum hit rate possible ... I'm sure that on those voidwatch people have a COR also so yeah ..

Can get 4x songs with a single bard, wtf would you care about accuracy in a slot. I don't have room to carry bullcrap in my monk invo. I already gave up lol-chakra set, counter set and what not. When farming, it's necessary to keep several free invo slots too, like when I'm farming ADL pop set or just coins.

[Karbuncle]

You don't get it. You're not always capping accuracy. When you actually NEED the accuracy, the ammo slot is a great place to sacrifice and toss in +10 from Mantis Eye. Just because YOU'RE not a good enough player to see the benefits of an accuracy build doesn't mean everyone is that short-sighted.

COR, PUP and RNG ... who knows, but BLU, DNC, and MNK all make use of Mantis Eye in accuracy builds.

Good players know when and where to sacrifice for accuracy, Not just to pick up an accuracy item and shove it in the slot because it was easy to obtain. They also consider things like Switching from YCB/RCB to Pizza as well if accuracy is heavily needed, before recompiling their TP set. So its Ironic you would stoop to saying I'm a bad player when you seem to be exerting the symptoms.

Accuracy is important, sure, this is irrefutable. But not, or rarely, to the point Mantis eye is a consideration, especially when of the jobs you listed, MNK would only benefit from +4 Accuracy over say, Empyrean Ammo, which also offers +4STR, If you need the accuracy, chances are you're in need for fSTR too, So thats going to be helping you a lot. (even though Potestosw/e Bomblet is the better option, I'm mentioning Empyrean Ammo as a second-best Accuracy alternative)

DNC 7.5acc from the same, for a sacrifice of 5DEX and 5%Crit damage. 4 Acc or 7.5 Acc isn't going to make a drastic improvement, This means you're swapping other gear for the Accuracy build. Is the extra 4-7 Acc making or breaking your set? Could it be replaced in other spots to regain a useful Ammo item? There's a lot of questions, But i know one thing ASYMP, I've yet to see a build anywhere at anytime that included a Mantis Eye.

This is because, there are plenty of accuracy options above and beyond Mantis Eye which are better suited for replacements when accuracy is needed, than immediately going for Mantis Eye, Mantis eye would be more of a last resort for those jobs, in a fight where you desperately need accuracy, Of which i still don't know of any.

Charis Feather offers 5% Crit Damage, and 5DEX, Its adding about 2.5 acc, And some DEX toward Critical hit rate. To need to replace it with Mantis Eye for 7.5 Accuracy would have to be an absolute desperate for accuracy situation. DNC Doesn't have terrible accuracy problems. They have Accuracy Bonus Job trait, as well as no short supply of accuracy heavy gear that they would wear normally.

Theres maybe 2-3 Mobs where a Heavy Accuracy build could be needed in voidwatch alone, But those are few and far between, and even then, I would consider switching to Pizza+1 first before i considered seriously revamping my Armor choices, Since most of those Enemies in Voidwatch who need Accuracy hold ridiculous amounts of Evasion. The Beetle in Ronf comes to mind. I'll admit to not having enjoyed Legion to know what Accuracy you may need there, So this could be an event where thats necessary.

There are better options, and I will stick by my statement, Mantis eye is trash. Just because something is questionably useful for a handful of fights doesn't make it a good item. I say questionably useful because I'm sure there's other slots you can squeeze accuracy into without sacrificing as much as one would for Mantis Eye. MNK and DNC Would be sacrificing the least of the jobs listed however, if that's something. BLU I contend i still just don't know what that job can wear in Ammo...

Plus, MNK Empyrean offer 6 Accuracy as well as 4 STR? 4 Acc vs 4 STR is a no brainer if you need the Accuracy, But then again i ask you, What situations are there where you're in such terrible need for Accuracy? What fights? I ask this not mockingly but seriously. Tell me the situations, Show me your Accuracy Builds you use for it. Cause I can't think of very many situation where just +4~7.5 Accuracy would be enough of an improvement to a TP phase, So you have to be making changes in other slots to accommodate the accuracy. To which point i ask if Switching to Marinara Pizza+1 would be a better option.

Then MNK has to take into consideration the fact they'll likely be in a BRD or COR party, and can get an Accuracy Buff. If the mob is o-so-evasive you're considering a Mantis Eye, Obviously other DD Could be having accuracy Issues, And should be no issue having an Accuracy song put on, or at least borrowing some Pizza from them. DNC might have a problem since it'd probably be in the proc party... Since its a worthless job.

I think I know you well enough to know where the next post is going. Probably some name calling, personal Attacks, belittling me instead of addressing the issue. Its hard to make an argument from nothing without resorting to attacking the person you're arguing with instead of addressing the issue. Will i be surprised? Stay tuned.

Edit: I knew i recognized your name from FFXIAH, Explains the lustful hate of me for no reason. But I stalked a little further. I checked your FFXIAH Item sets, None of them include Mantis eye, I went as far as to check your Equipment history on the off chance it got caught in that, Nope... Mantis eye is nowhere to be found. This means nothing of course as the Updates are random and most people don't post all their gear sets for obvious reasons. But to advocate Mantis eye with such hostility you resort to personal attacks, and yet you have no item sets based around it, strikes me as odd.

I even went so far as to read up the latest DNC gossip on FFXIAH, not a single mention of Mantis eye in any of the gear threads. Not even by you. So this has me scratching my head. If this item has apparently maintained enough use to attack someone on a personal level when they mention its uselessness, you seem to have never mentioned it at all until this point. Please enlighten me as to why you've kept this a secret until now?

[saevel]

Stuff, don't want to make a WoT quote

Ehh, for BLU and MNK the Eye isn't bad if your under acc cap. Switching to eye is more effective then using Pizza or switching around other pieces. 4STR is only 1 fSTR and 2 attack which are incredibly minor when compared to the 5% hit rate that 10 accuracy brings. Accuracy is not to be taken lightly nor assumed to always be auto-capped, abyssea has really ruined the player base's idea of accuracy, back at 75 it was the 2nd most important stat with haste being the first. Now that we're at 99 we're now fighting monsters at level 110 or more, that is a pretty hefty cut into your accuracy to begin with and it doesn't help that SE likes to play with monster stats.

[Karbuncle]

Ehh, for BLU and MNK the Eye isn't bad if your under acc cap. Switching to eye is more effective then using Pizza or switching around other pieces. 4STR is only 1 fSTR and 2 attack which are incredibly minor when compared to the 5% hit rate that 10 accuracy brings. Accuracy is not to be taken lightly nor assumed to always be auto-capped, abyssea has really ruined the player base's idea of accuracy, back at 75 it was the 2nd most important stat with haste being the first. Now that we're at 99 we're now fighting monsters at level 110 or more, that is a pretty hefty cut into your accuracy to begin with and it doesn't help that SE likes to play with monster stats.

Only point i attempt to make is that for DNC and MNK, its a difference of about 7 Accuracy, or 4 Accuracy, Neither of which will be a game changer when it comes to those types of fights, and theres plenty of other changes you can make first, with a much bigger impact. In most cases, 4~7 Accuracy won't make or break a build. Which is about 2~4% Hit rate bonus. (comparing to the next best things MNk and DNC have for Accuracy, Empyrean Ammo)

I see your point Saevel, And i understand the value of accuracy, Its just the minimal/negligible amount of accuracy a Mantis Eye offers over alternatives seems rather insignificant, and would not make a large enough impact on a Build to be considered worth carrying around the inv-1 Item for those 1-2 Fights it might be worth it, and again, Even in those fights, there's many other alternatives.

I remember 75 as if it was yesterday, I still have old pictures of my TP sets from back then... the memories, Accuracy was a huge thing. Now adays it means a little less because most events offer boosts to that (Stalwarts, Atmacite, Etc), But I'm well aware of its importance still today!

I'm not doubting accuracy as a valuable stat, Simply Mantis Eye is so limited in its uses, and even its "uses" are questionable because of the dozens of other options you have when considering an Accuracy heavy build, that the item itself becomes situational to such a strong extent its a just garbage. Its 'maybe' useful for 2/3 of the jobs on less than a handful of enemies, and this is assuming you have no way buffs available, Like BRD or COR, or are stuck in a Proc party (Voidwatch).

There just aren't as many enemies today that require accuracy heaviness. Its not to say the stat is meaningless, far far from it, its just the situation where the stat is deemed "heavily needed" enough to rebuild a gear-set around it are far and very few between. Hell back at 75 Accuracy was under heavy consideration for Merit Parties, I remember Colibri TP Sets... Back in those days, Something Like Mantis Eye could be quite useful, since most of the game revolved around maximizing accuracy, as it was a difficult task back then. Today, not so much. Skills are much higher, and As I reiterate, there are fights where accuracy is an issue, but its few and far between, and you always have stuff Like Stalwarts, and BRD songs to help.

I think the only fight i can think of off the top of my head i had accuracy problems with, on THF, was the Beetle in Ronfaure, that guy is just annoying beyond words... Sorry to keep creating wall of posts, My thought process forces me too, and i repeat myself a lot because i know attention spans are short.

[MarkovChain]

4STR is only 1 fSTR and 2 attack which are incredibly minor when compared to the 5% hit rate that 10 accuracy brings..

Oh noes and madrigals/sushi will give you +50% hit rate. All of a sudden your craptastic ammo slot look dumb. It's pretty much only usuful when at 90% hit rate while other gears have capped acc onthem. And you don't compare it 4str/2 att, you compare it to +15 attack from potestas bomblet, which is between 4% and 5% damage boost too.

[xiozen]

Weaknesses[LIST][*]Beastmaster
It seems like opinions are split on call beasts. Seems like there are bit more calls for Gerard to be used, but we would like to continue to receive feedback.[*]Puppetmaster
For PUP’s weakness, we’re considering using “Strobe” as their trigger.

I think this idea is cool for PUP; however for BST, can the Devs consider a pet that can be purchased from an NPC (if the pet is Gerard, then add Gerard to an NPC for a set amount of gil, or maybe even cruor...). Not all BST will have crafting skill enough to "make" the appropriate jug pet for the event and regardless of the pet decided upon; at least make it accessible. Luckily the Auction House has a regular influx of pet jugs at end game level, however that will not always be the case.

Just sayin.'

[Karbuncle]

Gerard seems to be one of the pets thats always on the AH, and if he becomes the single proc pet, I'm positive his stock will be kept up. Prices may jump a little, But he will be in stock.

I don't mind the idea of adding the Jug Pet thats procer to the NPC though... But i think Gerard really is the best bet. Cheap to make/buy, Can't-miss BPs, and I'm pretty sure he has some resistances to magic built in?

[saevel]

Karb,

Please understand, 10 acc in an accessory slot used to cost millions of gil. T.Ring and PCC both were ridiculously expensive precisely for the fact that their slots didn't contain haste and thus acc becomes the best option (for when your not capped).

I do lots of parsing to see what level of evasion / defense the target monster has, and I can tell you that most people are not capping accuracy anymore, even with stalwarts / bravers. 2H's is not so much an issue as they have tons of accuracy options that don't require them to trade off haste. DW's are a bit more limited which is what the Mantis Eye is created for. It's a PCC for your ammo slot. The two most important components to your damage is how fast you hit (capped haste / DW) and how often you hit (accuracy). Cap both of those and then worry about everything else.

[Karbuncle]

the reason 10 Accuracy in an Accessory slot used to cost so much because back in those days, Accuracy was a pain to cap, And a lot of good Melee Haste Gear did not offer a lot of Accuracy. Today, Its hard to find haste gear without accuracy. Take Raider's Bonnet+2 vs W.Turban. +12 Accuracy. Raider's Body? +10DEX(5acc) +5 Dagger skill (~4 Acc) as well as 5% Haste.

Accuracy is already piled on so much natural Melee gear, the need to sacrifice slots for Accuracy is relatively low. Its not that the stat is not important, its that the gear we wear normally generally has more accuracy than we know what to do with.

Back in the day, Dusk Gloves, Haste, No accuracy
Today - brego Gloves - Accuracy+5

Back in the day, W.Turban, Haste, No Acc
Today - Pretty much every haste head ever - Acc or DEX in large amounts.

Back in the day, Accuracy was hard to fill in slots that didn't sacrifice haste, SO accessories were the big spot, Today, Haste/Acc are Love partners, So the value of needing to sacrifice accessories for Acc is diminished. And with the support most fights offer in Stalwarts, Bravers, Atmacites... Accuracy heavily needed is further diminished.

I hope I'm making myself clear here. I'm cutting a lot of my train of thought out to make this short.