Real PvP can we have it PLEASE S.E

[Alhanelem]

I still find it balanced. Race, jobs make it a factor. A tarutaru drk will not hit as hard as an elvaan. A galka blm will not do as much magic damage as a taru.

The only real factor in race (the only one that really matters) is HP. Tarutaru can have several hundred less HP than a galka- but the INT difference between a galka and a tarutaru is not going to result in a several hundred damage difference. This is pretty much the only glaring balance issue. Some jobs have some stand-out combos, but they have counters and smart tactics can avoid getting ruined by them, so in the end, most of these are fine the way they are.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. I already know all this stuff. Ballista is a team game. Not every job is supposed to be perfectly matched against every other job. The balance and the strategy comes out most when you play ballista the way it was designed, with teams of players, not one vs one.

The balance is not perfect, but no game ever does have perfect balance- something to take into consideration.

Even something that is great can always be improved. Ballista is no exception, and while it is lots of fun, it could still be made better. "It's not a PvP game" is not the reason ballista didn't perform as well as it could have, even though I know quite a few people who throw that statement around.

[Evviva]

One more time for the lurkers!

Currently, two servers hold 60 cap official matches - Lakshmi and Carbuncle (Fenrir server I've heard has 60cap matches occur as well, but need some confirmation!).
The JP population of Lakshmi has been dwindling.. the majority has moved to Carbuncle in an attempt to make one universal ballista server.

As for 99 cap matches: Fenrir is known for this, and I've personally heard that it is still active.. but confirmation is needed!


The linkshell I am part of, BallistaRevolution is situated on Lakshmi.
We currently have about 10-15 active members, mix of na/eu/jp.
Our website can be found here :http://vyiv.wordpress.com/

We are always looking for strong members, and we take ballista very seriously.
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27...to-do-in-ffxi/

Both servers have diorama specialty games called "Hako". Japanese wording for Box.
Essentially, the concept of Hako was introduced with the inception of the BallistaRoyale, and conclusively, is quite similar. In other words, this player made event is very old. The players that do partake are very profficient~

The rules:
- The level cap is 60
- Subjobs are allowed
- Matches are 15 minutes in length - all or nothing(in the case of a 5v5 or 6v6 the time allotted is extended to 20 minutes, with a 3 minute preparatory phase).
- Outside items are NOT allowed
- No duplicate main jobs, all jobs are mirrored, i.e; SAM/WAR DRK/SAM MNK/WAR vs SAM/WAR DRK/SAM MNK/WAR
- The following jobs are allowed to participate: SAM, WAR, DRK, MNK, DRG, RNG, PLD, RDM, WHM (In special cases, BLU DNC SCH are allowed to participate)
- Sub jobs are static for all jobs: SAM/WAR, WAR/SAM, DRK/SAM, DRG/SAM, MNK/WAR, RNG/SAM, PLD/WAR(or /WHM), RDM/BLM(or /WHM), WHM/SCH(or /RDM, or /BLM) - if allowed to participate: DNC/SAM, SCH/WHM(or /RDM) and BLU/WAR(or /WHM)
- Auto-balance rules are applied
- Minimum amount of members per team is 3
- Maximum amount of members per team is 6
- A called game difference of 20 petras will be applied
The rules are not always this static, we do make exceptions - although the points listed are the general outline!

For a video preview of Hako:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKgpqgbKrfE (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LST8uoVXSws (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMzMxm2AvCE (Part 3)

Courtesy of Teishi/Desuyo: http://www.youtube.com/user/deshi0?feature=watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8OhV...-L1G4NO2IdQyQ= (4v4 game)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A9ov...Ox-k3gZiIl6Qs= (5v5 game)

Courtesy of Vyii: http://www.youtube.com/user/vyiv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88cta...JlZvpYRiw94%3D (Game 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--WjZ...qneOISdMYq0%3D (Game 5)

Courtesy of Zirkk: http://www.youtube.com/user/Zirk1337?feature=watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwKzq...W7lvHupQANJK8=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKCC6...sG7Xn8p4IZ3i0=

Courtesy of Teska: http://www.youtube.com/user/Prejdent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFqXjAOertE (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdKhyA5g9Mw (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrxeZqjmR0k (5v5 game)

These videos are my own: http://www.youtube.com/user/Evviva3980?feature=mhee

It should be noted, if you are looking to participate in hako matches.. we do not tolerate any rude behaviour or derogatory remarks - to us ballista is a sport; all laws of sportsmanship apply.

The test server Undine, seemed to be the perfect opportunity to hold any kind of ballista, but thus far it was met with only mild success: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/28...a-test-server/



Thanks for reading~

[Natenn]

They really should have a pure pvp srever D= im not server hopping just for that, be nice if they had a pvp specific server that held matches in any zone you want.

[Scudo]

They really should have a pure pvp srever D= im not server hopping just for that, be nice if they had a pvp specific server that held matches in any zone you want.

That would be great =)

[Minibuddha]

They really should have a pure pvp srever D= im not server hopping just for that, be nice if they had a pvp specific server that held matches in any zone you want.

That would solve a lot. or the idea of a gladiator type stadium for pvp.

As for what im saying on balance, dont judge ballista. Keep trying it. I love it.

[Oakrest]

I also think they should just add a PvP server or two that you can transfer to - and while outside town, anyone not in your party could be engaged.

[Alhanelem]

Ballista should really be made good and attractive enough to be played on all servers. nobody should have to move servers just to play one part of the game.

and this 'hako" idea is problematic at best because not everyone plays every job and thus it wouldn't always be possible to mirror jobs and then some people would be excluded on that basis. You also shouldn't have to do this to have a good, balanced game. Having a rule like this is basically an admission of balance flaws. Also, you're excluding more than half the jobs from the game. There's no good reason for this. It makes no sense to go around spouting "ballista is perfect' and then suggesting we all try a bunch of house rules that were made up clearly to address balance issues. Any rule set that says certain jobs can not play is not a good one. (In my particular case, every job I have except one would be excluded from these house rules)

Please, stop trying to pull everyone to you and instead focus on what we can do to make the event more popular in general. We need to continue to be loud about this until the existence of the fan base is acknowledged.

[Evviva]

Having a rule like this is basically an admission of balance flaws.

Without a doubt~

We need to continue to be loud about this until the existence of the fan base is acknowledged.

I'm not quite sure how much louder we can get.

[Alhanelem]

How about a ballista competition on the test server?

This would be awesome and I would like to work towards doing something like that in the future (trust me it has been on my mind!). I can't make any promises, but give me some time and I will see what I can do

A small acknowledgement. Try to show your support for something like this.

[Evviva]

Good find!
Very happy to see =)