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Think you're Code of conduct is acting up again. ^^

On the contrary, I just repeated to you what you said to me, to point out to you how you were the one acting childish this time. I know very well when I'm being childish and immature and I have no problems at all to admit to it, but this wasn't one of those times. This was you being childish and me calling you out on it. You asked me why I'm in here, which is a pointless question because this is an official forum where every currently paying customer may express their opinion, so I directed the same question back at you.

Ranger & Corsair.
Range Attack Set.
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you still have (10) open lines... you can only do two actions, you shouldn't* need anymore.

Ranger & Corsair.
Haste set and or Weapon skill Set.
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Black Mage & and any other Mage Job.
Nuke/Curing Set.
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you still have (7) open lines... you can only do five actions, you shouldn't need anymore.

Black Mage & and any other Mage Job. Refresh set and or Curing/Nuking Set.
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Bolded your error in judgment, which is exactly what I was talking about. "You shouldn't need anymore" is just you imposing your ideas and your style of playing on others. You're not in any position to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't need. Just earlier Thanotos told you that gear swapping is wrong and shouldn't be a part of the game, which you immediately dismissed. It's the same thing. You're not comfortable with his judgment of what you should be allowed to do. Yet you feel you can judge others on the same matter?

Why would you need that many lines please tell us, how would you work 20-32 lines of usage!!? The only Idea I could fathom is that you want one macro to do it all. Haste gear>Weapon gear>Weapon skill>repeat "go afk".

I wouldn't, and I never said it was for me. Very few of my macros even exceed one line, so I don't care at all about how many in particular it is. All I'm saying is that 12 is a completely arbitrary number to other people. You picked it because it would fit your playstyle and now you seem hell bent on it being "just right", and keep listing weird and incomplete examples that I can't even make much sense of, although I admit it may be the alcohol, so I'll review it in the morning. It still doesn't change the fact that there's certain actions for which I want to change 15 pieces of gear, which is not possible with your suggested "solution".

Code of conduct. ^^

Nope, again not. That was a perfectly valid argument, and I have to admit I feel a little disheartened that you ignored it based on your perception of my attitude, which wouldn't, in any way, invalidate the argument itself, even if that perception was accurate. I've been feeling especially chipper today and I was never in the mood to behave immaturely at all. I'm simply telling you what your argument sounds like to other people. It sounds like you picked a number that just suits you, and you defending it and telling others that they change too much gear or shouldn't need anymore just makes you sound arrogant and fascist, placing your own opinion over other peoples'. Because in the end, that's all it is, your opinion. And while you're entitled to it just like everyone else, it doesn't make it special, right or even appropriate.

Now, I've explained to you why just 12 slots are unreasonable, and the only counter-argument you had was "you shouldn't need anymore", which is as wrong as needing anything in a game can be, as Thanotos' pointed out with his opinion that you shouldn't need any gear swaps at all. So your only counter-argument was your opinion of other peoples' playstyle.

You, however, never explained to me why 32 slots would be unreasonable. Your bolded reply seems to indicate that you're quite shocked at that suggestion, because you seem to have read into it that that I actually wanna change 32 pieces of gear with one press of a button or something, which isn't the case. But even if it was, why is that bad? Would it hurt you if I had 32 macro lines? Or even if you had it? Why is it excessive? Of course we're still under the assumption that PS2 memory isn't a limitation for this, because otherwise all our arguments would be pointless, but if we disregard that restriction, why is it excessive? Do you know how little memory storing every single macro takes? Around 140 KB to have one entire macro book loaded. That's less than 0.05% of my FFXI's average memory consumption (running on a PC). So from a technical standpoint it's obviously not excessive. From a gameplay standpoint? You can't change more than 16 pieces at a time anyway, and if you wanted to, for whatever reason, why shouldn't you be able to do so?

I'm not saying anyone at all needs it. I'm just saying there's also no argument against it. There is, however, an argument against your 12. Simply because it's not enough for some people.

Also, no one here is advocating Windower. If we were, we wouldn't be pushing for these suggestions on the official forums, because they can all be easily alleviated by certain tools that are readily available. We're still here, which is a sign that we actually want the game to develop outside of Windower. But it wouldn't hurt anyone if SE took some hints from certain third party utilities, as they're there for a reason: because they're tremendously useful. Personally I'd love if SE took some of Windower's ideas and made it completely obsolete and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this belief.

oh god, not another one of these threads... look up the term "ad nauseum", it applies perfectly to how often this subject has been asked and answered.

Just asked, actually. To my knowledge it hasn't been officially answered yet.