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    AH's ammunition category needs to be split. The sort options don't even apply.

    The ammunition category in the auction house is a disaster. It currently contains:

    Bullets
    Stacks of bullets
    Arrows
    Stacks of arrows
    Bolts
    Stacks of bolts
    Quivers
    Stacks of quivers
    Bolt Quivers
    Stacks of bolt quivers
    Bullet Cases
    Stacks of bullet cases
    Usable bombs
    Stacks of usable bombs
    Unusable bombs
    Stacks of unusable bombs, when applicable
    Equippable rocks/feathers/needles/etc.
    Stacks of equippable rocks/feathers/needles/etc., when applicable
    Pumps
    Stacks of pumps
    Fans
    Stacks of fans
    Shuriken
    Stacks of shuriken
    Batteries
    Stacks of batteries

    It IS relevant to mention the stacks, because they sure as hell increase the spam in this category.

    The category uses the same sort options as weapons, but the bullet cases/quivers/bolt quivers/stacks of bullet cases/stacks of quivers/stacks of bolt quivers don't have levels, races, jobs, delay, or damage, because they're unequippable, so they're unsortable. Many of the items also don't have DMG or delay because they're not even used as weapons, like the Hedgehog Bomb.

    No sort option applies to every item in the category. Some items have no applicable sort options.

    Possible breakdown:

    Make the ammunition category contain only TRUE ammunition: arrows, bullets, bolts, and their containers. Add alphabetical sorting for when we need to find certain containers.

    Make a new category: Shuriken/Bombs/Etc. Put all shuriken, bombs, darts, and unusable "ammo" items here. Add alphabetical sorting.
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    Last edited by Edyth; 04-05-2012 at 12:53 PM. Reason: typo

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    Seconded!!
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    Since more and more stuff, from new bullets to new marital aids somehow equipped in one's ammo slot, is added to the ammo category each update, clutter in the ammo category really is becoming an issue.

    I also admire the thoroughness of this list. STACKS OF PUMPS!
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    Agreed by all means. If nothing else, sort into 3 categories, Throwing, Launched ammo, and Quivers, anything to reduce that god-awful long list to search through.
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    The OP gives me the impression that we'd be better served by an ammo revamp while we're at it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Edyth View Post
    Stacks of unusable bombs, when applicable
    Stacks of equippable rocks/feathers/needles/etc., when applicable
    These two should not even be on the list, as they should have been removed when ammo with stats was changed. Give everyone 60-day notice that you're gonna remove that category from the AH and make the change.
    Pumps
    Stacks of pumps
    Fans
    Stacks of fans
    Batteries
    Stacks of batteries
    These are in dire need of simplification, as to my knowledge the weapons these are tied to aren't exactly useful nor are they really common. Considering the most popular of these drop in Sea and use Virtue Stones...

    As for the topic, I agree that there needs to be an additional category or two to fit all this ammo and reduce the clutter in the AH.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line.

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    Forget the exact layout and all (not in game atm to pull it up), but there may be an issue with the tree--might not be able to simply drop in a sub category under ammo.

    Ammo&Misc
    --Pet Items
    --Fishing
    --Ammo
    --Grips

    Think that's how it was setup. May be more taxing to expand Ammo into another sub-menu, but instead add more entries at this level, so that the Ammo category is left holding only launchable ammo (arrows, bullets, bolts). Perhaps a new category for throwing would cover most of the rest, but then you need a category for the bundled/'consumed items. Perhaps call it simply that--Consumables.

    Ammo&Misc
    --Pet Items
    --Fishing
    --Ammo (contains only usable ammo, as in unbundled arrows, etc)
    --Grips
    --Throwing (actually thrown items, or items that would be thrown but are now locked)
    --Consumables (all bundled items, batteries, fans, etc.)

    no matter what, it will probably be a bear for them to implement... but think it would be worth it. Could cut down on some of the lag in the AH in the long run, as it would be polling shorter lists when people are shopping for actual ammunition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    The OP gives me the impression that we'd be better served by an ammo revamp while we're at it.
    These two should not even be on the list, as they should have been removed when ammo with stats was changed. Give everyone 60-day notice that you're gonna remove that category from the AH and make the change.
    These are in dire need of simplification, as to my knowledge the weapons these are tied to aren't exactly useful nor are they really common. Considering the most popular of these drop in Sea and use Virtue Stones...

    As for the topic, I agree that there needs to be an additional category or two to fit all this ammo and reduce the clutter in the AH.
    There's no need for a 60-day notice. 3 days is all you need for existing trades to clear, and even then only for items that have their stack SIZE changed. Since this is a 'simple' split of a category, SE could move the non-ammo to a new misc group in the next update and that's it.
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    It IS relevant to mention the stacks, because they sure as hell increase the spam in this category.
    It's not relevant because stacks appear in every category with stackable items.

    However, all the stat peices should be moved to their own category, because they aren't really even ammunition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edyth View Post
    Possible breakdown:

    Make the ammunition category contain only TRUE ammunition: arrows, bullets, bolts, and their containers. Add alphabetical sorting for when we need to find certain containers.

    Make a new category: Shuriken/Bombs/Etc. Put all shuriken, bombs, darts, and unusable "ammo" items here. Add alphabetical sorting.
    When SE moved the Abyssea key items in their own key item-slot, it was because they were not able to sort things alphabeticaly. The reason for this was the names was different in english and japanese and that the game-mechanichs would not allow that kind of sortation. My guess is that the same goes for the ammo sortation.

    This is definetly a /sigh factor ^_-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristal View Post
    There's no need for a 60-day notice. 3 days is all you need for existing trades to clear, and even then only for items that have their stack SIZE changed. Since this is a 'simple' split of a category, SE could move the non-ammo to a new misc group in the next update and that's it.
    I was more refering to the fact that when certain ammo was changed to be locked so that people wouldn't accidentally throw their Bomb Cores or Optical Needles, SE kept the stacks of these items instead of getting rid of them as well. If they're visible in the AH, they're most likely still counted as entries in whatever system files FFXI uses. Which to me translates to needless clutter that should be removed.

    The 60 day notice is more so that in the off chance that someone out there has a stack of 12 Morion Thathlums, they have time to get rid of those so that by the time the 60 days go through they're down to 2 or 1 for when they are made unstackable or given a rare tag.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line.