Final Fantasy XI 10th Ann. + FF 25th

[Dazusu]

Honestly, the thing that amazes me about threads like this is that after all these years, you expect SE to give a shit about retaining players and are surprised when they don't. Most MMOs ask players why they're quitting with a survey. This gives them an idea of what needs changing. SE has never done that.

It's all great to talk on a forum about what you want in the game while you're obviously still addicted and aren't going to quit if you don't get your demands honoured, but taking a slice of knowledge from someone who's stopped giving you money is a far more intelligible way to go about finding out how to get that money back.

Either they assume they know best for the game, or they take direction from the forums (which seems to be the norm much more now than ever was before). Either way, both cases have resulted in a decline.

Most 'suggestions' on the forums presume to know what the players want en-masse. Obviously not.

[svengalis]

Let every player choose one emp/relic/mythic if their choice for us being such loyal subscribers.

[Camiie]

Honestly, the thing that amazes me about threads like this is that after all these years, you expect SE to give a shit about retaining players and are surprised when they don't. Most MMOs ask players why they're quitting with a survey. This gives them an idea of what needs changing. SE has never done that.

It's all great to talk on a forum about what you want in the game while you're obviously still addicted and aren't going to quit if you don't get your demands honoured, but taking a slice of knowledge from someone who's stopped giving you money is a far more intelligible way to go about finding out how to get that money back.

Either they assume they know best for the game, or they take direction from the forums (which seems to be the norm much more now than ever was before). Either way, both cases have resulted in a decline.

Most 'suggestions' on the forums presume to know what the players want en-masse. Obviously not.

So the only feedback and suggestions that count are the ones from people who don't play anymore? If we all quit and tell them why then the game will get fixed? But then who are they fixing it for if we've all left? Don't they just pull the plug at that point and MAYBE apply our suggestions to a future game? Of course if FFXIV 1.0 is any indication, they don't do very well at that.

Is your post just a roundabout way of telling us, "If you don't like it leave?" Or am I misunderstanding you here?

[Elexia]

Would actually be really nice if SE were alittle more like other developers, meaning generous to their playerbase, once in awhile. Like for example, the occasional double exp day/weekend.

You can go from 30 - 99 in under half a day. We don't need this.

[Camiie]

You can go from 30 - 99 in under half a day. We don't need this.

Another who misses the point and the "for example." It doesn't HAVE to be XP. It could be anything that's usually a pain to get.

[Elexia]

Another who misses the point and the "for example."

Point wasn't missed, but good try. "For example double exp" in a game where you can level from 30 to cap in under half a day is an example of "developers being generous to their playbase"...why would you use that as an example for generosity for a game where it's more generous with it's EXP than any other out currently?

How else are developers generous when double-triple exp weekends "FOR EXAMPLE" are the common forms of 'giving back to the players" without handing out everything they desire? Maybe you should spend more time thinking about why I said we don't need this kind of generosity than trying to tell someone they missed the point just because they disagree.

[Camiie]

Point wasn't missed, but good try. "For example double exp" in a game where you can level from 30 to cap in under half a day is an example of "developers being generous to their playbase"...why would you use that as an example for generosity for a game where it's more generous with it's EXP than any other out currently?

How else are developers generous when double-triple exp weekends "FOR EXAMPLE" are the common forms of 'giving back to the players" without handing out everything they desire? Maybe you should spend more time thinking about why I said we don't need this kind of generosity than trying to tell someone they missed the point just because they disagree.

I've been trying to think outside the box a little bit since people are dead set against a double XP weekend. I figured I'd try to come up with a bonus they might be for. XP isnt the only thing they could do. We have other forms of progression, be they skill-ups or regional currencies. They could hold special events that don't involve real life holidays where people can have some sort of progression. They need to start doing little things to make life more interesting in addition to working on large-scale storylines and endgame events.

I suppose I did pick a fight with you, and I apologize for that. It's just kind of frustrating when people try to write off ideas on how to improve the game with a one-liner post and no alternatives. Maybe you weren't doing that, but it felt that way. Regardless, I shouldn't have responded in the way I did.

[Dazusu]

Is your post just a roundabout way of telling us, "If you don't like it leave?" Or am I misunderstanding you here?

Misunderstanding me. SE should take more notice to people who stop paying them. Those are the people really unhappy with the game (really as in, more than us lot - not insinuating that some of us here aren't unhappy with it).

The point I'm trying to make is, they don't listen to those unhappy enough to quit - why would they listen to those of us still paying them?

I didn't miss the point of the original post either. I just think its a stupid idea. We play a game because we enjoy the game, not to get unsubstantial 'rewards' to feel 'valued' as customers.

[Camiie]

Misunderstanding me. SE should take more notice to people who stop paying them. Those are the people really unhappy with the game (really as in, more than us lot - not insinuating that some of us here aren't unhappy with it).

The point I'm trying to make is, they don't listen to those unhappy enough to quit - why would they listen to those of us still paying them?

That I can understand. They do need to survey the people leaving, I agree. They need a way to take feedback from them that won't generate attacks and insults from other players that this forum does.

As far as the occasional bonus rewards, to me it's more about shaking up the status quo and keeping things interesting. Heck they could be tied to events like the OP warps originally were. If the server defeats Mob X outside of the cities then for a month we get some bonus to... whatever people wouldn't find horribly offensive to receive a bonus toward. Would that be so bad?

[Dazusu]

As far as the occasional bonus rewards

Mog Tablets called and said Hello ;-).

Server-wide events with substance would be nice. Server-wide events that require me to chase a massive Buffalo around West Ronfaure don't peak the interest for me, sadly.

Let every player choose one emp/relic/mythic if their choice for us being such loyal subscribers.

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