Suggestion: Remove Abyssea Time restrictions

[Arcon]

It's like saying you can't afk in your Mog House for more than 120min, you'll have to reenter every now and then. And if you don't you get kicked out and enter for another hour and can't change job or check your dbox or anything like that. How is that challenge?

That's a mighty fine ssssstrawman argument you got there! Ssssshame if anything would happen to it...

I said that, not Frank. You're kinda unlucky with quoting recently, aren't you?

And it has nothing to do with a strawman argument in any way, shape or form, which I'm sure you're aware of, or you would have done something to defend that assertion. The term you're looking for is an analogy.

If you treat abyssea as an experience zone, time is not an issue.

Agreed.

If you treat abyssea as an event zone (limbus, dynamis, AV, PW), two hours is a reasonable limit for events.

Why does there have to be any limit to events? How can limiting something that doesn't need to be limited ever be reasonable in any way? This is merely your deluded perception of what you consider average event playtime/interest, and even if that was not just your own perception but universal perception, it still wouldn't warrant a limit on it. If everyone felt two hours was enough for an event, people would just quit normally after two hours, give or take, and it would make limits inherently pointless.

(And even then it can be extended if you know what you are doing.)

So, what's the point of the time restriction then? An arbitrary limit that should be enough, but if it isn't you can extend it. That's seriously your argument?

If you'd need 100 points for an idea to be considered worthy enough to implement, this idea would rate 5 at best.. and I'm being generous here.

I'd give it a 5 bajillion. Since that's a completely subjective perspective all opinions are equally worthy, so let's average it to about 2.5 bajillion, and as such it should be implemented by your own admission.

[Kristal]

I said that, not Frank. You're kinda unlucky with quoting recently, aren't you?

It's that bloody multi-quote thing. If you touched that once, it keeps haunting you weeks later, even in other threads.
It's especially bothersome if you post from different machines and get blindsided >_<

And it has nothing to do with a strawman argument in any way, shape or form, which I'm sure you're aware of, or you would have done something to defend that assertion. The term you're looking for is an analogy.

You deliberately created a non-existent situation with the intent to attack it as if it was the real thing. Classic strawman argument and undefendable because there is no position to defend.

Why does there have to be any limit to events? How can limiting something that doesn't need to be limited ever be reasonable in any way? This is merely your deluded perception of what you consider average event playtime/interest, and even if that was not just your own perception but universal perception, it still wouldn't warrant a limit on it. If everyone felt two hours was enough for an event, people would just quit normally after two hours, give or take, and it would make limits inherently pointless.

You must have been living under a rock these past years, because SE is the one that has imposed a 2h limit on events and has made considerable changes to existing content to impose it. Blame the guys putting FFXI in the news negatively for an 18-hour battle. Two hours also is a nice time frame, because you can easily fit it into a casual schedule or two of such events on one evening.

So, what's the point of the time restriction then? An arbitrary limit that should be enough, but if it isn't you can extend it. That's seriously your argument?

I'd give it a 5 bajillion. Since that's a completely subjective perspective all opinions are equally worthy, so let's average it to about 2.5 bajillion, and as such it should be implemented by your own admission.

No, because your rating is modified by x0.0 for reasons of invalid emotional scope (being over 9000!!!). So combined with my rating that makes 2.5/100, even LESS then what I rated it. Change denied.

5/100 is based on cost/benefit. Fact is, it only affects a handfull of people, for a limited time, and only because they decide to ignore better options. It would take time and money to fix something that at best is a very minor inconvenience for the 0.01%ers. It's something they could address when they got nothing else left to do or happened to be fixing some more important problem in the same bit of code.

For a rough comparison, I'd rate beetle's foot a 1/100, RDM merits 125/100, Ob CB 145/100 and salvage dupe 900/100.

[FrankReynolds]

You deliberately created a non-existent situation with the intent to attack it as if it was the real thing. Classic strawman argument and undefendable because there is no position to defend.

Your strawman argument is a strawman argument. LOL @ attacking his technique instead of addressing the argument itself which was: that adding things that are in no way shape or form fun just so that people waste time is bad.

He's also correct in that if you are arguing that the time limit is needed then you are also by extension arguing that you have difficulty getting time. Which is hilarious being as you clearly think you are great.

[Arcon]

You deliberately created a non-existent situation with the intent to attack it as if it was the real thing. Classic strawman argument and undefendable because there is no position to defend.

That is not a strawman argument, it's an analogy. A strawman argument would be if the situation I created was different to the actual situation and only tried to fool people into thinking it compares. My analogy was applying your reasoning to a similar situation which better exemplified the flawed reasoning your argument presented. While the situation does not compare fully, it is indeed similar and was closer to a reductio ad absurdum than a strawman argument. Also, for a strawman argument I would have to actually attack the situation I created, but I didn't. I attacked the original situation (which was the time restriction in Abyssea) and presented my analogy at the very end of my post to sum up how ridiculous the argument of the opposing party looks to me.