[dev1102] Meteor had better be obtainable!

[Daniel_Hatcher]

"NOT EVERY WHM WILL HAVE ARISE UFUFUFUFU."

Nor do they all have Raise III, point?

Obtainable != Everyone can get it with ease

So you want it to subject yourself to some masochistic experience for a spell? If wiki is any indication at all even the formerly highly desired Kraken Club has a better drop rate than that and it used to be flat out broken in some cases. From what I've seen on here it doesn't sound like Meteor will be all that game breaking.

Oh well, I guess one person's pointless torture is another person's fun and games.

I don't want it to be obtainable by everyone and their mules too, why should it be.

Hard to obtain doesn't necassarily mean stupid drop rates, though admittedly that is lazy SE's current route.

[Camiie]

I don't want it to be obtainable by everyone and their mules too, why should it be.

Because it's just a spell. I say hand the spells out like they do Job Abilities. Let the challenge lie in gearing properly and using the spells to their fullest extent. The possession of a spell shouldn't be the measuring stick for your epeen. It's what you do with the spell that should.

Hard to obtain doesn't necassarily mean stupid drop rates, though admittedly that is lazy SE's current route.

Unfortunately it's the only way SE knows how to control who gets what, and even then the people you don't want to get it will still luck into it or merc it.

[Elexia]

Nor do they all have Raise III, point?

Obtainable != Everyone can get it with ease

Obtainable = The ability to get it in general, not blatantly designed to exclude a large playerbase from gaining it.

Raise III = Obtainable very easily by very easy NMs.

Arise = Specifically designed that IN THEIR WORDS, not every WHM will have it due to the difficulty of gaining it. (What makes it difficult is to be determined.)

Raise III and not everyone having it = No one wanting or needing to fight Kirin or WHM Quadav "HNM", this is why not everyone has it, with Abyssea Raise III is almost near useless.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Obtainable = The ability to get it in general, not blatantly designed to exclude a large playerbase from gaining it.

Raise III = Obtainable very easily by very easy NMs.

Arise = Specifically designed that IN THEIR WORDS, not every WHM will have it due to the difficulty of gaining it. (What makes it difficult is to be determined.)

Raise III and not everyone having it = No one wanting or needing to fight Kirin or WHM Quadav "HNM", this is why not everyone has it, with Abyssea Raise III is almost near useless.

Obtainable = To succeed in gaining possession of as the result of planning or endeavor; acquire.

The word does NOT mean that the majority can get it, simply that it can be obtained. Difficulty is irrelevant, if 1 person out of 1 million can get it then it is obtainable.

It's no wonder English posts get translated so badly to English.

[Camiie]

Obtainable = To succeed in gaining possession of as the result of planning or endeavor; acquire.

Ok fine, Mr. Word Parser. I would like for it to be realistically obtainable by whoever wants to use it. A challenge? That's fine. Time consuming? No problem. Tucked away where only a tiny fraction will ever even have the slimmest of chances of it dropping? No thanks. Find some other way to make yourself a special snowflake.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Ok fine, Mr. Word Parser. I would like for it to be realistically obtainable by whoever wants to use it. A challenge? That's fine. Time consuming? No problem. Tucked away where only a tiny fraction will ever even have the slimmest of chances of it dropping? No thanks. Find some other way to make yourself a special snowflake.

Clarity is a nice thing to have, especially when it is potentially being translated to Japanese, or any other language.

[Salvation]

Clarity is a nice thing to have, especially when it is potentially being translated to Japanese, or any other language.

Yeah, because up to this point players have been so unclear about the disappointment with how the latest round of spells were acquired....
It's fine if they want to make spells more difficult to obtain or left entirely to the devices of the playerbase to distribute based solely upon supply and demand; just make it so other jobs have to obtain their job abilities via a sellable drop as well.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yeah, because up to this point players have been so unclear about the disappointment with how the latest round of spells were acquired....
It's fine if they want to make spells more difficult to obtain or left entirely to the devices of the playerbase to distribute based solely upon supply and demand; just make it so other jobs have to obtain their job abilities via a sellable drop as well.

You want mages to pay even more money for the JA's.... I see!