Abyssea Adjustments - Un-leech

[Vivik]

If you don't like leech's kick them from your parties. Simple solution.

The problem is, most of these whiners are not the party leaders. They are the people that are too lazy to put an abyssea pty together. They join pickup groups with leeches who are friends/paid leeches of the party leader. These people then complain non stop in alli.

When all is said and done it's about lazy people complaining about lazy people. Just two different kinds of lazy people. Smart ones who leech, and not so smart ones who do nothing but complain.

[viion]

When all is said and done it's about lazy people complaining about lazy people. Just two different kinds of lazy people. Smart ones who leech, and not so smart ones who do nothing but complain.

hahaha, so true!!!!

[Eeek]

The problem is, most of these whiners are not the party leaders. They are the people that are too lazy to put an abyssea pty together. They join pickup groups with leeches who are friends/paid leeches of the party leader. These people then complain non stop in alli.

When all is said and done it's about lazy people complaining about lazy people. Just two different kinds of lazy people. Smart ones who leech, and not so smart ones who do nothing but complain.

Bingo.

It's infinitely easier to complain than it is to jump on a 30+ job, start /shouting, and run your own exp alliance.

[Alderin]

This thread has turned into a :-

"I am so great cause I have x amount of jobs and have only leeched 2x"
or a "I have never leeched a job in my life."
orrrr "I have leeched 15 jobs and have skilled and geared all of them."

Looks like I have a lot of certificates to print.

No one cares how many jobs you have at 90 anymore, and they care less about how many you grinded outside abyssea.

However pros and cons of both arguments are:-

For Leeching-
- For those of you who have grinded all your mage jobs, or need something new to play with - you don't need to grind it up to get to the fun end-game stuff.
- You get more options and more abilities to stagger mobs to get more gear.

Against Leeching-
- There are more lvl 90 "newbs" then ever before. ie: people don't know how to play there jobs.
- The people that believe it is wrong to leech are usually 10,000 times more skilled / better at their jobs / I would actually trust cure bombing me etc.
- For the people that believe leeching is wrong and wish to lvl a new job - there are very limited parties outside abyssea.
- For newer players that a) don't have the cruor, or b) don't know anyone that is kind enough to let them try and leech get left out - due to the lack of parties outside of Abyssea.

If I missed a few for the "leechers" side, please correct me. However from the way this post is leaning towards, I would assume you all know how I personally feel on the subject.

Raise the cap to 70+, orr have some crazy job-specific G1, G2, G3, G10,000 that the leechers have to go through in order to learn how to play their job. (The latter of the 2 options is extremely unlikely to happen, nor is a realistic strategy to force the lvl 90 dummies how to learn their job).

[Ramsos]

Against Leeching-
- There are more lvl 90 "newbs" then ever before. ie: people don't know how to play there jobs.
- The people that believe it is wrong to leech are usually 10,000 times more skilled / better at their jobs / I would actually trust cure bombing me etc.
- For the people that believe leeching is wrong and wish to lvl a new job - there are very limited parties outside abyssea.
- For newer players that a) don't have the cruor, or b) don't know anyone that is kind enough to let them try and leech get left out - due to the lack of parties outside of Abyssea.

1. This is a baseless argument. There were TONS of no talent morons before abyssea existed, it doesnt take much intelligence to throw up a party flag and get invited to a random party. How many times, before level sync existed, did you get invited to pts that were completely fail. If anything, leechers are far less likely to fail at their jobs since they know how to set up functioning abyssea alliances.

2. Just because a person leeched their job to 90, doesnt mean they dont have a clue on how to play the job. BG and the wiki exist, its not hard to learn about how a job is supposed to be played. If people refuse to use these resources, its not leechings fault.

3. Theres a reason why theres very limited pts outside abyssea nowadays...

4. Yes, newer players suffer and that is undeniable. But how many new players do we truly have nowadays? It makes no sense for SE to give existing players the shaft with removing abyssea leeching, just to cater to an extreme minority who wouldnt know the difference.

Ive said it before on other threads of this same topic and ill say it again. Removing the ability to leech from abyssea would effectively kill that method of exping. Without leeches, the whole box opening aspect comes to a halt. Non-leeches "can" open boxes, but I highly doubt that higher lvl people are going to be ok with wasting cruor on keys. You are always gonna get the people who "forgot to buy keys" or "dont have cruor for keys" or "forgot to open boxes" when they simply dont want to waste their cruor. At least with leeches there is no excuse, their sole job is box opening and you can tell when they arent doing their job since theres gonna be unopened boxes all over the place.

So, think before you blindly support the vocal minority. Do you really want abyssea exp to go poof, just so a couple masochists can "experience the social aspects of the game"?

[NightDagger]

imo leeching sucks. takes no talent to leech, takes no talent to make an alli. for abyssea. How hard is it to have 2 whm 2 blm a good puller or 2 & then DD's? if anyone thinks a newb. could nt figure this out then pffft.

Abyssea will not change so idk why i am wasting my time even writing this lol.

[hiko]

Read thread topic before you make a post reply. This topic is not about minimum level.

this thread is off-topic, [dev-1003] is about af3 upgrade items not leeching
reporting for bad dev tag use

[Crotin]

My favorite leechers are the ones that are gone for 15-30 minutes, someone notices they're afk, someone asks if they said they'll brb, and then magically the afker comes back since he's scared of getting kicked. The even funnier thing is when they'll still be technically AFK and just run up to every mob without drawing their weapon.

The even FUNNIER afkers that think they're smart are the ones that go all out or try to solo a mob on purpose and die, and then the whole time they're waiting for their weakness to go away they're afking to get even more XP than they lost.

I don't know why leeching is supported, basically people that support it only care about themselves and not the people actually doing the work. I don't really mind the key leechers all that much since at least they're doing something, but the afk leechers and the abyssea alliance leaders that take money for someone to leech....sigh. Just sigh.

[Zerich]

No just No.

If you have a problem with people taking level 30 jobs to get exp in abyssea then don't join those parties. If SE actually did listen to you complainers and raised the level cap on abyssea next thing you be complaining about is how you have nobody to do keys now and how nobody wants to do them because they need their curor for brewing NMs.

Keys aren't expensive and there are now PTs formed just for making cruor chains.

How many PTs have you been in where EVERY leech was actually doing something? Because I'm pretty sure that most recent Aby PTs I've been in have been at least 1-PT of leeches just sitting there, with either one or two of them on keys (only one is needed).

[Zerich]

Since you brought it up, there are many reasons they should lower the entrance level to 1. Actually level 5 would be ok too, because then I'd save the 4 levels I spent getting to level 5 for bonanza. Who agrees to lower the limit?!!?!one

Please go to the appropriate thread.
Thank you.