New WHM spell, Araise. It will be extremely difficult to obtain.

[Unleashhell]

At the end of the day doing a Xarc run for one person means everyone who tags along is rewarded with (virtually) nothing for the effort. If you have access to a functioning event LS (something becoming a rarity in recent days) then you can schedule things and get people to come out with the intention of scratching their back later however this is not the norm in today's PUG heavy FFXI and it shows that SE is out of touch on this topic.

For someone who toiled to solo a relic through the new Dynamis this ADL trial will be the end of the road. Why? Because there is no incentive for people to help you. Had SE taken some time to profile the current endgame landscape they'd have realized this and created a trial that was more appropriate yet retained the difficulty they sought.

Bad taste about large scale shells? I helped run two, was a member in at least 3 and have seen the promised land of big HNMLS'. The reality however is that most on my server are in severe decline since Abyssea/Voidwatch and Anduril might just be the last active NA shell on Lakshmi that existed in the days where big shells reigned. Lakshmi's endgame scene is a wreck and I'm sure the same goes for other servers.

SE gutted HNMLS play through Abyssea, Walk of Echoes, Dynamis revamps and Voidwatch and now we're supposed to pretend that didn't happen? Makes sense.... sorta, kinda not.

Large LS doesn't necessarily mean it has / had to be an HNMLS. There are lots of LS that have the numbers to still do ADL assuming they have the right jobs. You points are taken though and I understand your point your trying to make. Especially with the soloers that decided to make a relic and that level 95 is the end of the line for them.

Same can also be said for the solo/duoers that did Emp weapons no? They can get the 85 version and maybe even get the 90 version with minimal effort, but past that point those soloers/duoers are in the same boat. They aren't soloing VW to get to 95 or 99. Again my point is you still need 18 people to the 99 version of either of these weapons. And before everyone starts saying that 17 other people can benefit from VW, what if they don't need / want anything from VW? What if they don't get anything but logs? Basically the people getting 95 or 99 Emp weapons are either very rich to buy all the HMP or they collectively combine the efforts of the LS they are in to benefit one person.

So now you have both relic and Emp weapons benefiting just one person the way you guys are all explaining how it is. Do the trials suck? Yes they do. Are they impossible? No they aren't. Back to my point, not everyone in the game is selfish and demands things for their time. Lots of people out there like to see their LS members and friends get things and they don't mind helping with no benefit in return.

[Ravenmore]

Never once has anyone ever asked me to "repay" them for anything. Working together is what the game is about, not being selfish and thinking about just yourself and what benefit you can get out of anything you do. And before you say doing the trial to 99 is being selfish, then same can be said for people that stat they deserve something in return. Again going back to my post, just because people help one another doesn't mean they will demand some kind of payment in return.

Boy must be nice to be so naive. Ever wonder why people get pissed at other people for leaving shells, I'm sure you have seen it. People do derserve being rewarded for helping and using time they could be doing something for them selfs.

[Aana]

I am really sick of the ridiculous attitude that gets perpetuated that equates wanting a challenge to being some elitist prick that wants to just lord over all the peons that cant hack it in 'hardcore' world. No one has once actually asked for a 'mythic spell'. No one (i have seen) has actively even supported the idea.

DebbieDowner: Its going to be IMPOSSIBLE TO GET! Like a mythic spell!
Optimist: It wont be THAT bad, but id be nice to have a challenge
DebbieDowner: You just want it to be impossible so you can lord it over everyone and feel better about your shitty life in your mommys basement!
Optimist: No, not 'impossible' just a 'challenge'. Something fun challenging and interesting=/= impossible.

You can WANT a challenge and not have some evil ulterior motive to get something just to rub it in the n00bs faces. Quit polarizing these things and framing it as some giant 'us good folk vs the evil elitest!1!' war. Dont demonize people that disagree with you just because you dont like their ideas and dont start lumping crap together that doesnt go.

No on is ASKING for a mythic spell. At worst, some are asking for something that is more involved than "go the the AH and buy for 10k".

[Ravenmore]

Thing is going by what SE consider easy in the past, when they say extramly diffcult its clear it will be near impossible to get. Remember they said mystics would be easier then relics, then with saying most that got relic to 95 would finish the stage 1 99(95 relic is easy as snot to get).

[Unleashhell]

Boy must be nice to be so naive. Ever wonder why people get pissed at other people for leaving shells, I'm sure you have seen it. People do derserve being rewarded for helping and using time they could be doing something for them selfs.

Deserving a reward of some kind is fine. But again, not everyone is out for themselves. Some do like to just help others and ask nothing in return. There is nothing naive about it. My LS is full of people just like me to like to help others and that's what we do. We even help people outside our LS. There are countless times we have seen a group wipe to NMs in Abyssea. Rather then let it depop we claim it, raise them all if needed then kill the NM for them and give them ALL DROPs and asked for NOTHING in return. Some of us are like that ya know.

[Aana]

But thats just whining. What i mean is that it is not constructive in anyway.

Downer:"Its going to be TERRIBLE! Look at what else theve done!"

When someone says "nah it wont be that bad". 'Yes it will!' 'No it wont!' etc. K that was an enlightening experience.

When someones says "Id be nice if it was something challenging instead of a 10k scroll" and they get a buncha backhanded 'your just an elitetist' its not helpful and just makes some imaginary us vs them scenario.

Instead of just doomsday prophecies and shutting down people that arent as gloomy, how about ideas? It just devolves into some imaginary fight about whos the most butthurt about timesinks between melees/mages/gear and spells.

Less QQ more PewPew. What kind of process WOULD be reasonable for a super duper endgame spell? (FYI Reducing weakness timer is HUGE in a world with timed events that we have now). There IS something between a 10k scroll from an NPC and some retarded ZOMG MYTHIC SPEEL!1! that 1/1000 whms will ever get.

This isnt written in stone yet. SE has altered lots of things before they were released from teh initial dev post like this one. Last time i checked, i needed more than 3PW items for my mythic when the announcement was 1st made. Oh and plates only gave 100 max. Now they give 1500 pts and i only need 3 drops. SE is stubborn, but they can and do change things. Less useless whine and more ideas.

[Malamasala]

They aren't stubborn, they are ignorant.

Like it takes them 2 years to go "Oh right, forgot to include tier V nukes on spirits". Really? We only told you 2 years ago that you forgot.

And they go like "Here PUPs! We fixed your spell casting", but do they fix spirit spell casting? Nah, wait another 4 years and see them go "Oh, and we are splitting up timers on spirits too!".

I don't see this Arise stuff go anywhere else than Voidwatch Kirin 0.01% drop rate route. RA/EX so only the person getting the scroll can use it. And then, 5 years down the line, they might be so friendly that they raise the drop rate to 1%.

[Runespider]

I hope the spell isn't stupid to obtain, I really do, because it will mean they are maybe realising how off the wall some of their ideas currently are.

In 2-4 months (because there is no guarantee this spell will be in the next update) we will see I guess, or a rep could just chime in and tell us what their plans are and not just say "extremely difficult" and leaving it up in the air, maybe get some player feedback before the fact instead of a ragefest after update as keeps happening. Why say extremely difficult at all, it's like pure trolling of the playerbase to say that and leave it open to interpretation, especially when it's going to be compared to the last thing they called extremely diffiicult.

[Lafaiel]

I hope the spell isn't stupid to obtain, I really do, because it will mean they are maybe realising how off the wall some of their ideas currently are.

In 2-4 months (because there is no guarantee this spell will be in the next update) we will see I guess, or a rep could just chime in and tell us what their plans are and not just say "extremely difficult" and leaving it up in the air, maybe get some player feedback before the fact instead of a ragefest after update as keeps happening. Why say extremely difficult at all, it's like pure trolling of the playerbase to say that and leave it open to interpretation, especially when it's going to be compared to the last thing they called extremely diffiicult.

They want the ragefest, thats how they know they trolled us good.

[Camiie]

I like how people come on here and act like they'll actually be part of the lucky (and it will be luck based) few to obtain this scroll. This is Tanaka's SE. They said it will be "extremely difficult to obtain." They said not every WHM will have it. I don't care who you are or who you think you are. You are not meant to get this. You are only meant to chase it. Just as there are no tricks or gimmicks to Neo-Nyzul there will be none here. Don't fool yourself into thinking the current dev team can't possibly be that mean. They are.