[dev1007] Voidwatch: Obtaining Spoils

[Dawnn]

18 die to roll...

you can get 17 logs, and one good item!

[Aequis]

Can't believe people aren't keeping up with the protests about the loot system. Or perhaps we've all had the life sapped out of our souls and just can't be bothered any more. :/

It really needs to be fixed, and I've been thinking, the drops rates don't really need to be increased by a huge amount. Not sure if this has been mentioned before anywhere, but in particular it would help if the item groupings were split up a bit. A typical VWNM, say, Kaggen has four main drops. These are the body, the rare accessory (belt) and the more common accessory (Mantis Eye), as well as Heavy Metal Plates.

As it stands now, all four of these items are in the same grouping, and then there's a secondary grouping of other items (what we all know affectionately as "NPC fodder"). So you get a body, one of the accs, a Heavy Metal or nothing. It would be beneficial if HM (along with Riftcinder/Riftdross on higher tiers) was in a group of its own, all accessories were in a group of their own and then you have the rarest drop - the body or gloves etc. - in its own grouping.

It helps both people trying to get drops and it helps the supply of Heavy Metal - more out there for people to buy / upgrade with. I am honestly so frustrated with Voidwatch right now and I know friends are too. There has to be a better solution SE can bring to the table than, "Get a body. Get more to drop and destroy the box for a token. Collect five to give your friend a drop they don't have the luck to get themselves!".

The sheer chance of getting one body to drop is miniscule. How are people expected to get one, and then another five or six so they can give tokens to friends?

[Greatguardian]

perhaps we've all had the life sapped out of our souls and just can't be bothered any more. :/

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[Zinato]

People have given up, VW on Asura is at an all time low for anything but progression. In the end as long as the trend of decline continues SE will eventually be forced to play their hand when the event (the main method to keep us playing since Nyzul 2.0 is more or less a flop) isn't holding players attention anymore. There are so many ways things could be improved drop rates are one but suggestions have ranged from distrobution methods, to Voidstone availability, greater range of drop monsters (HMP on T4+ Jeuno etc.) yet in the dozens of options to ease the issue not even one has been considered. What little feedback we've gotten has been NO.

The developers have said they wish to have us move to XIV and their actions have shown that. However, I think more people will be willing to change when FFXI dies so long as its quiet and peaceful. If it dies of a flesh eating virus people will be less inclined to move. (The less metaphor version - people wont want to go to XIV if they leave XI pissed off, rather than sad to see it go. This is all assuming XIV 2.0 makes a massive recovery.)

[Mirabelle]

The developers have said they wish to have us move to XIV and their actions have shown that. However, I think more people will be willing to change when FFXI dies so long as its quiet and peaceful. If it dies of a flesh eating virus people will be less inclined to move. (The less metaphor version - people wont want to go to XIV if they leave XI pissed off, rather than sad to see it go. This is all assuming XIV 2.0 makes a massive recovery.)

If people wanted to move to FFXIV, they would have by now. FFXI players are attached to their avatars and in game friends and would rather continue to develop that then start anew. I agree that if forced to move by ongoing mismanagement, most people would likely just quit. Certainly I won't pick up another MMORPG after my playtime on FFXI is over. And certainly I won't go to FFXIV given how frustrating SE has been with FFXI since Abyssea's heyday concluded.

[Tinderil]

0/300 on Toci's Harness. The same guys gets Toci's 2 kills in a row, 1/56 & 2/57. Yes, it's working as intended. Tanaka needs to be sacked from SE, he is causing frustration to a lot of EG players. What SE seem to completely have forgotten is that this is a game. And people want to have FUN playing it. With the shitty loot system in VW, they've definitely killed the fun in the game. Seeing a drop like the rare bodies go to the same person twice, when 17 others in the alliance are wanting it, after hundreds of kills, is just a slap right in the face of every player. Thanks SE, and thanks again for ignoring the player's complaints. We're very please it all works as intended. Doesn't matter how much you grind for an item, it's all down to luck. Yes, that is called rewarding your players. By pure luck, regardless how much you effort you put in.

[detlef]

I was just thinking about this... In our LS we've gotten a decent amount of Mekira bodies (for example) over time because people absolutely spammed the content in and out of LS. However, what are we to do when 1-2 people still need it? It sucks to have to continue spamming the same content over and over and have to beat the random number generator twice.

With old content, you had to beat the RNG once to have the item drop, and again to have high lot (or have some kind of agreed-upon lotting system). With VW, regardless of how much you do it, you're never any closer because your LS mates cannot pass you the item.

In the past, if something had a 1/8 drop rate and 18 people wanted it, you'd have an expected value of 8 x 18 = 144 kills to get everybody the drop. Roughly. With VW, it's still a 1/144 drop rate but it never gets better as other people get their items.

I can only hope that the ticket system is implemented and implemented well.

[Karbuncle]

In the past, if something had a 1/8 drop rate and 18 people wanted it, you'd have an expected value of 8 x 18 = 144 kills to get everybody the drop. Roughly. With VW, it's still a 1/144 drop rate but it never gets better as other people get their items

This. This. This. THIS.

Do you see this Square? do you SEE why your idiotic "Well, Theres 18 people, So we lowered the drop rate Significantly to balance it!" Logic is so Horrible?

I want SE To do Voidwatch for about 1 month, Non-stop, and i want them to tell us how they feel when they join Pick up group after Pick up group, going 0/400+ On the Item they want like almost HALF of us here have, and have that one guy in the party who goes "HUR HUR MY THIRD BODY LOL I CANT EVEN USE IT, AND IM 3/12 NOW!" If they're not foaming at the mouth and want to jump into the computer, Find that guy, and rip out his throat and feed it to his family, they're not human.

Thats the feeling i get every time i see someone get a second/third body, or go 1/4 or less on it. I can't be happy for some joe who's put in 30 minutes of work and tripping bodies while Im sitting on the breaking point and swearing to god if i Get another Mantis Eye I'm going to do things I'll end up in a Mental hospital for.

So, My breakdown asde, Allow us to Give other people our drops, Just do it. Are you people so afraid of someone actually GETTING their drop and moving on to the next of 20 VWNM's they obviously will need, and the 10 more to come, and Legion, that you can't introduce a system that actually makes the player feel good instead of leaving a dirty taste in their mouth?

Every time i do Kaggen or Pil and open the box to find a Mantis Eye, or a Chakram, I swear i taste Blood and Anger swelling in my throat. This last week I've done kaggen an additional 20 Times, I got 13 Fudging Mantis Eyes out of all of those runs. In all my Total Kaggen runs, about a third of them dropped Mantis Eyes. I'm up to my eyeballs in mantis eyes.

Can't believe people aren't keeping up with the protests about the loot system. Or perhaps we've all had the life sapped out of our souls and just can't be bothered any more. :/

Most of us kinda hope the Upcoming Ticket System will not be as absolutely worthless and retarded as they've described to us, especially after all the uproar over how useless it will be.

[Tinderil]

Karbuncle, my sentiments exactly. I don't think SE ever play the game. While it works 'as intended', they don't seem to understand that having something completely random is very very bad. They just don't understand how frustrating the nature of totally random drops is. Your chance every time is 1/144 or whatever, which doesn't improve no matter how many times you do it, no matter if everyone in your alliance already has the item and it would in other loot cases be 'your turn' for it...

And the ticket system... just don't expect too much, it'll be too little, too late. To expect people to keep doing VW for tickets once they got their hard-earned bodies is insanity on SE's behalf. It's hard enough to get 1 to drop, let alone keep spamming it for more, for a ticket, which isn't even enough for a person to get the body, oh no, if you've bad luck, you'll need 5 tickets, just to make it 'fair'. /sigh

A suggestion, which may have been said before, would be to allow the R&EX items in your chest to be added to the treasure pool if you don't want them, so other can benefit at least, rather than wasting a drop. But only the R&EX, so the pool never fills up (since the rest can be traded/sold anyway).

[bigdave]

currently only body out of about 300 runs i got was from bottolous rex wish i could get the one from pil before update