[dev1086] Dark Seal

[Geabrielle]

The reason DRG is getting it's due now is because not once have they had a raging screaming fit.
Also, frustration is reasonable but we've noticed crying has gotten us nowhere and it's time to change direction, no?

Back on topic!

Any other suggestions for Dark Seal if they do give Dark Knight dark magic fast cast?

[Rezeak]

The reason DRG is getting it's due now is because not once have they had a raging screaming fit.

DRG has always and i mean always had updates to address issues with it's job.

Didn't work in endgame -- > Angon
SAMs and WAR out DDing with polearm --> Drakesbane
Hurting a little bit in abyssea --> 2 more jump which give DRG insane tp
Issues with Wyvens in VW --> Smiting breath and Steady wing

not saying DRG didn't have a hard time like DRK least DRG had update consistant to the job and improved it.

DRK started off as a great job pre ToAU

Absorbs aren't worth casting -> we get reduce cast times and there still not worth casting.
DRK can finnally compete w/ Kclub DRKs --> haste cap placed in
Guillotine/Spinning slash doesn't compare to Geeko,Penta,Drakesbane,Raging rush---> Insurgency ( a weaker WS)
not to mention SE always mentioned kclub DRKs as overpowered meaning none kclub DRKs got punished (SE nerf on alot of NMs)


Then in abyssea we brang nothing least DRG could pump out DMG DRK was literally trash (there were worse jobs hit by abyssea)
But stuff like tactical parry and Teir III and occult acumen which all added something but were never adjust to be useful for DRK
Not to mention while we had been struggling before we all needed to get Torcleaver just so we could do the min agian.

Finally we hit VW and we were given Scarlet D. another useless addtion.

Now not saying what SE has added hasn't been all been junk.

Endark, S.soul, 3 min Last resort and Resolution these things have brang DRK back to were it was pre ToAU maybe even a little further making a competive DD again and i am greatful but most these are imo fixes that should of been added maybe 2 years ago (maybe not the LR thing).

our magic is something we have been begging for SE to make worth using as a large part of DRK for a long time we'd even be happy with long cast times or w/e as long as the effects are worth it.

I also believe DRK should have more of an abilty to restore them selves via Drains by SE making them more potent or easier to buff and adding Drain III meaning we'd have a really usful use for our magic at last well we have stun which is the best spell ever added to DRK.

[Geabrielle]

DRG has always and i mean always had updates to address issues with it's job.

Didn't work in endgame -- > Angon
SAMs and WAR out DDing with polearm --> Drakesbane
Hurting a little bit in abyssea --> 2 more jump which give DRG insane tp
Issues with Wyvens in VW --> Smiting breath and Steady wing

not saying DRG didn't have a hard time like DRK least DRG had update consistant to the job and improved it.

I could explain the philosophy behind so many noteworthy updates by quoting a long time DRG friend of mine, on the day Angon was released. "Angon, hmm, defense down. I have to buy ammo slot pieces and I still don't get to do much endgame as DRG so these are inventory -1, but we'll make it work. Thank you SE, may we have another?"

I remember this clearly because I was having a raging anger fest about not being able to take advantage of my MP pool and was on the verge of just going to warrior. He reminded me then, that I was also a BLM and that I know how to manage my MP and cast timing so why not apply those to DRK. In other words he told me to Make It Work.

I didn't find the abs-spells at all useless. In fact I make use of them a great deal still. Abs-Attri is still my friend especially on some particularly annoying VW mobs.

K-club DRKs ... if I say I wanted to behead them with their own rusty scythes would this be a bad thing? I blame THEM for being forced into BLM for 5 years for endgame events. Mainly because I outright refused to get one, save to freaking sell it.

I had no problems with damage in Abyssea.

To keep this brief, there are a lot of things I agree with you on and some others not so much. But I do believe this chance to get dark seal how we want it, with the possibility of a celerity trait is a good thing. Until then we have to try to make what we have work even if it sucks - WHILE asking for those sucky things to be tweaked a little to something better. That's all I'm saying and trying to do so respectfully.

[Rezeak]

I could explain the philosophy behind so many noteworthy updates by quoting a long time DRG friend of mine, on the day Angon was released. "Angon, hmm, defense down. I have to buy ammo slot pieces and I still don't get to do much endgame as DRG so these are inventory -1, but we'll make it work. Thank you SE, may we have another?"
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I had no problems with damage in Abyssea.

Angon for some DRG was just a 1 ja thing but the fact was if ya have a DRG there for angon he can be DDing and other things meaning while angon may of been the soul reason DRG got into an endgame event least your there and you could add to the DD as well meaning you were there and not just told LOLDRG go WHM or SAM plz.

So you had no problem with MNKs,WARs,DRGs,SAMs,PUPs,DNC,BLUs... basically every DD having a much better DMG potential than you thats the same with me i just /MNKed and countertanked the world still it was an issue which was never fixed but abyssea over now so it's not a issue i was just saying.