Battle Balance Adjustment: Resistance to Enfeebling Magic

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I've repeated that barailments are a bit of a mystery. They do not produce Resist! messages we know that.

What you stated is that bar-ailments reduce duration.

I said no, duration is a component of resistance. And that if bar-ailments are reducing duration then their actually adding magic evasion, the exact amount we don't know.

What we do know is how magic accuracy / magic evasion works and how it effects duration. I linked the page, which itself has references to BG and other tests that were done. This has been done to death already.

Components of MA / ME are known, effects are known, exact formulas and resist rates are known. It's known that Barpetrify will not give you Resist-Petrify job trait, Barsilence will not give you Resist-Silence job trait, and Barparalyze will not give you Resist-Paralyze job trait. Barsilence, Barpetrify, as Barparalyze results in less average duration then not having them. It is not a static percentage duration, go get silenced with barsilence up a bunch of times if you doubt that.

With all that above, which is known for years now, we can conclude that Barsilence / Barpetrify / Barparalyze / ect.. are adding to Magic Evasion vs those effects.

It's like your saying the sun isn't hot because someone didn't stick a thermometer into it. We know it's hot due to the effects of the light it creates, just as we can know that Bar-ailment gives ME based on the reduced average duration.

In any case, I've explained my point and given supporting evidence in the form of MA/ME testing. Good luck finding a controlled situation where you can directly test the MA of a monster casting paralyze on you. Could probably find a DC goblin somewhere and spend a few days (collecting the data) / weeks (verifying the data). I've demonstrated how MA / ME work and how the reduced average duration on status ailments (supported by your argument) means the Bar-ailment is giving ME. This thread isn't about me convincing you, this is the internet and you can't convince anyone of anything on it, its just a giant e-peen contest for you people on who can troll each other the most. Anyone reading this will have the information they need to come to their own conclusion regarding Bar-element + Bar-ailment.

To prove beyond all doubt,

I have always been under the impression that the bar-element helps the chance to outright resist the ailment, and the bar-ailment reduces the duration of effect.

Shows you have absolutely zero idea how resists work. There is no such things as "outright resist the ailment" nor "reduces the duration of effect". It's a series of MA/ME checks with each one having reduced effect / duration and the final failure is resist. Resist-Traits are a chance that is checked once upon the effect first landing on you, and their a very low chance.

And now /ignore Aleste.