funny i was using lv110 and 560 when i played around with toci+oce combo a bit ago. I never tested emp hands, and doing it now, they did win by quite a bit. But i was using a 120 vit 120 agi mob, and the dex from the hands put me at 173 dex. With lower agi, emp hands only wins by decimals. Thats from breaking the negative dstr i imagine.

Oh this makes me remember something i wanted to ask you Kinematics. Are the rules for negative fstr not completely understood? I noticed you simply make it -1 for w/e value of str under the targets vit. That was to simplify things? But considering we probably have negative dstr on anything hard, we are not getting the correct gains out of the different pieces of equip all times.