To Those Opting to Play 'One Player Mode'...

[Frost]

First, to the majority of you, this obviously does not apply. For those who responded thinking I was addressing them specifically, either you harbor some sense of guilt for something you've done, or you missed the first paragraph:

While you may have found freedom from cooperating or socializing in an Massively Multiplayer Online Video Game, we unfortunately still have to deal with you. Sometimes you guys make that a really unfavorable experience. For those folks, I'd like to have a word with you.

Moving on.

"There are always two sides to a coin."

Careful when starting this kind of thread with such a general situation.

Just something to think about.

There's three sides to this coin. Anyone who reads my posts by now should be able to see that I always have a reason for doing things, and that the majority of what I write has double/triple meanings. Usually I mean no malace, and am trying to 'do right'.
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I generally like what you write SNK, and it's kind of unfortunate I have to do the following:

(Cherry-picking my argument, I know, but you seem to be no stranger to that considering BST isn't the whole topic.)

Why you gotta pick on my fucking job?

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Case in point crawler's nest beetle camp on the upper level. It's a great camp if you're soloing or in a party but hey I've always made it a point to make sure nobody was there before I went to exp. Hell I even went so far as to put up a search comment in translate saying where I was and what I was doing. It sure as shit didn't stop those people who weren't in one player mode come down and try and force me out or talk shit to me in say like I didn't have a right to be there even tho I was there 1st.

Suffice to say I enjoyed their ignorance pre-MPK patch by dropping a few charmed beetles or 4 on top of them and sat back and watched the enjoying of their asses getting wiped. I disgress tho since I strayed from my original point.

Stop singling out people who solo and just make it a point that it's anyone be it in a group or a person alone can make your day goto shit.

Again, don't pick on my fucking job.~

You do realize that that group of people all suffered because one person in it mouthed off and you MPK'd them right? There may have been people in the party trying to get the group to leave, but you MPK'd them too, giving "your job" a bad name.

Which goes back to what Dreaming was saying. "There's two sides to every coin."

As a Beastmaster you should be able to appreciate your portability. And while I'm not saying you don't have a right to EXP wherever you want, especially if you were there first. You're much more able to exp anywhere, where group locations are kind of limited. Also, you could achieve the same results competing groups do, just out pull them and kill faster. Eventually the EXP will be so bad for them they have to leave, you didn't have to MPK the entire group. (Yes I'm aware sometimes it comes down to not being able to get a pet because they're all pulled. There's ways around that too, which make it even worse for parties trying to move in.)

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As with SNK I have to open saying I like you, I like anyone that has an opinion and is able to actually voice it COHERENTLY.

I just see this as a passive-aggressive attack on everyone who lowmans events these days with a mule or pet. He probably got camped on in Dynamis or something.

People who duo with mules pay twice as much per month and make a little less than twice as much gil per month, but they invest less than twice as much effort to make it and it takes the same amount of time. Mules are essentially just a fast forward button. If it is worth it to you, make one. If it is not, don't!

Either way, making passive-aggressive threads on the forums reminding people (specifically with mules) to play nice is kind of futile and misguided. In the last six months of dynamis, I definitely saw more single-character players committing dynamis faux pas than mule-owners or BSTs. I bet about half my runs in Dynamis - Tav end when parties of single players fail to check my very explicit search comment and show up only to realize I am clearing the relevant monsters on upper floor duo with my mule. Then they sit there getting 3/10 clusters breaking my rhythm probably complaining to each other about my mule and me.

Agree'd this is very passive-agressive, about as much as adding "He probably got camped on in Dynamis or something." in the following line of your post. lol...

Anyways in a nutshell, you expanded what I was saying, I should have been even more general sure. I should have included "Soloers of all kinds". I just find the multi-boxers to be particularly interesting because they go to such great lengths to be uncooperative, antisocial. Solo soloers are easier to deal with on two fronts: If they come in, you're on equal footing, and if they're dumb enough to try to move in, they're usually dumb enough to, umm... "over power". When someone is multi-boxing you don't have that same luxury. Solo soloers also tend ot be more apt to team up, where multi-boxers come fully equipped and don't generally feel the need to be diplomatic.

Though ironically, I believe you are a proponent of "If it's yellow, it's fair game" correct? So what good does a seacom or "claiming a camp" really do in your eyes when there's unclaimed mobs? Maybe the soloer is happy pulling three mobs, and you're reading too much into it because they're "breaking your rhythm"; you're not breaking thiers'. Did you bother to ask if they were looking for an item specifically? Maybe offer what they're looking for they go kill something else? (We both know those are loaded questions right?)

Maybe the OP isn't just some guy who "probably got camped on in Dynamis or something." Maybe it's some guy that's also a soloer looking for civility, where there's limited mobs and yet, seemingly plenty to share.

But that'd only be a part of the argument since I was pretty intentionally "general" or vague yet specific. I can assure you there's more.
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Cammiie, only thing I can offer your questions is one word: "Bait".
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Ica, you should try group shitting, it's quite enlightening.
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Tamoa, Arcon, Saefinn, You get it. Nail, Head, Etc.
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The rest of you are trying way too hard to be witty. Protip: In order to be witty, you have to have wits.

[Rohelius]

Doesn't Guild Wars instance the entire game world outside of town for a person and their party? That might be a good game for them to try.

Yeah they reserve the areas just for you or your party as soon as you zone in.
you can also invite a whole "Adventuring Fellow" party if you need something hard done solo.

And i get the message but to say BST and Dualboxers is kinda too specific...
DRG solos sometimes too also BLU hordes monsters SMN is also a pet job not mentioned, most times BST gets that bad rep of killing a Partys exp mobs or hording Dynamis mobs like they have some stamp that says "Party Only"...

If i may remind the OP, the game is 13+ so to hope for a civil game experience while totally okay is not really expected. That's why the rating says "Game experience may change during online play"

[zagam]

I think the OP needs to learn a lesson from his own posts considering he's in one of the more notorious LS's that are general dbags when dealing with others. But I guess its ok that you still roll with 18 popping aby carpet bombing the area with no disregard to others doing the same NMs? I would hazard to say that maybe some of these people you are having problems with now are because you and your LS's general lack of respect for anyone is coming back to bite you.

I know we have dealt with you guys a few times, the first few times you burned us, now we don't even bother. We see that shell and know right away not to even try and be civil with you because you wont in return. So if you truly believe in what you're preaching maybe start with your inner circle first.

[Frost]

I think the OP needs to learn a lesson from his own posts considering he's in one of the more notorious LS's that are general dbags when dealing with others. But I guess its ok that you still roll with 18 popping aby carpet bombing the area with no disregard to others doing the same NMs? I would hazard to say that maybe some of these people you are having problems with now are because you and your LS's general lack of respect for anyone is coming back to bite you.

I know we have dealt with you guys a few times, the first few times you burned us, now we don't even bother. We see that shell and know right away not to even try and be civil with you because you wont in return. So if you truly believe in what you're preaching maybe start with your inner circle first.

Not going to perpetuate a feud. Ad hominem much? But judging a LS by only a few of it's members is ill conceived, especially when your linkshell shares the same dubious honors you pin on us.

=]

And as a heads' up, they always tried to communicate, if no one responded and you're standing around, we just assumed you're done. Nothign else we can do if there's a ??? there and no one's talking.

[Alerith]

I solo stuff on PLD all the time. Does this apply to me? ; ;

[Camiie]

Cammiie, only thing I can offer your questions is one word: "Bait".

Which is pretty much what your OP was whether you intended it or not. It was flame bait.

[Kluaf]

QQ to op


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[zagam]

Not going to perpetuate a feud. Ad hominem much? But judging a LS by only a few of it's members is ill conceived, especially when your linkshell shares the same dubious honors you pin on us.

=]

And as a heads' up, they always tried to communicate, if no one responded and you're standing around, we just assumed you're done. Nothign else we can do if there's a ??? there and no one's talking.

So you want to try and change the way multi boxers handle situations but not the way you and your group does? Hypocritical much? And no they don't try to communicate, if there is a few people its step all over them until they leave. If its a larger group/shell there might be communication only if it benefits you. (aka you cant brute force them out)
Ive seen you guys straight up try to out pop groups and the time you're referring to someone did reply you popped anyway ,we assumed some miscommunication so waited till after then you popped again. I remember the first time running into your group when the first time quetz unlocked the shadow lord fight. For once this server was actually being civil and had a line going, up to 3 hours at one point except for some AP members strolling up and entering multiple times. There was a few other times as well, were you there? I'm not sure but yes I will Judge your LS when the leaders condone such things, you may call it ill conceived because you are not a leader but you come here riding your high horse when you benefit from said grievances and do nothing to stop it. If your views actually mean something then you would have left that shell long ago not pass judgment on others. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[Karbuncle]

Not going to perpetuate a feud. Ad hominem much? But judging a LS by only a few of it's members is ill conceived, especially when your linkshell shares the same dubious honors you pin on us.

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Kinda like how you're judging a mass amount of people based on your select dealing with a few of them?

I'll let that sink in.

Hint: Those people who play "One Player Made".

[Glamdring]

Ok, I’ll take your post at face value and assume what you are asking for is etiquette. On that grounds let me let you in on what years of soloing on beast (and more recently pup) have taught me that party players need to learn in terms of etiquette.

1. I was here first. Yes, that’s right; I do NOT have to move because the 6 of you want my camp. When you guys were there 1st, I moved elsewhere, so you need to do the same.

2. If you are NOT jacking my targets I’m perfectly willing to help you with your link… but don’t whine if I need a minute to finish what I’m doing. It’s very difficult to help others when I have “unfinished business” clawing up my backside. If you ARE jacking my targets, then tough, you can just lie there and rot. Nothing in the Terms of Service requires me to help you screw me over.

3. If you make a request for my camp, or ask politely how long I’ll be there I will reply in kind (if you ask in English, I can’t read Kanji). But if you whine or get demanding rest assured I’m not ignoring you, I’m /blacklisting you.

4. If you tell me I have to kill the NM I’m working on faster… I’m slowing down. The hell with you, I’ll finish when I finish. You make me stand around waiting while you’re group splits to keep a constant spam up on Sobek and the rest of you keep spamming the pops for 15-20 reps; when I manage to get my 1 Sirrush you can just deal with the 4 minutes it’s going to take me, ESPECIALLY when I was there first.

5. I CANNOT just solo elsewhere. I had my reasons when I chose the camp/prey I’m working on, because it satisfies what I need and elsewhere doesn’t. So don’t expect me to believe you when you try to tell me otherwise.

6. Do you see a “seek” flag up? Then I probably don’t WANT company. If you just need the win on an NM, fine, I’ll add you, but don’t “help”; the best way to screw up a pet job is to “help”. My pet cannot hold hate against a regular DD and I only brought enough healing for me and my pet; if you try to help more likely than not you’ll just get us all killed and no win for any of us. I happen to be a nice guy, if I get an R/EX drop that I have no use for I try to find someone who does before it drops out of the pool.
21st century golden rule: “if you want me to treat you like an asshole, all you have to do is act like one.”