New 99 trials

[Apelila]

I didn't think it was possible for someone to continue to defend a ridiculous position without any shred of proof.

Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.

[Shadowsong]

Reminds me of the days of Craftermath and his "HQ rate theories"

[Brolic]

You need to evolve past abyssea seriously, soon as something requires more than you and your mule you are lost. Let's see what I liked at 75 : salvage. Going by your logic, entering salvage 5 times with a PT of 6 is too hard. Even worse getting an odin pop set is not doable by the majority of players (after the nerf it required 3 wins with ~30 ppl). Getting an Ultima popset of back in the day required much more work that what it takes to kill 5 ADL. Killing a DL (nq!) was quite the must. Are you saying those things were impossible for the average player ? I mean just getting a JoL popset is a lot more work that ADL, yet countless of people were doing it.

Say what you want about them but this is spot on.

[Zaps]

Say what you want about them but this is spot on.

I personally don't care about the difficulty of ADL, or even the difficulty of building ADL sets. I have a problem with this level of difficulty being put in a time constricted zone with a maxixmum of 2hours per day. I would rather go through a trial that took more manhours then having to deal with splitting up farming to 2hours a day.

example: Say you can build popsets with 5 people, and kill popsets with 12 (obviously this isnt true for all occasions)

We are Killing enough for 1 stage1 completion in this example and excluding farming plates.

To make it fair, i am going to assume that the group doing these cant spend an enormous amount of time every day. I'de say 5 hours is a good middle ground.


PW sets:
A good group could get through an entire wing in a 5hour span, building 5 popsets for each wing (3 wings)
Add a 5hour day for the actual kills, and we have ourselves:
20hours per person farming sets and killing spanning the time of 4 days to finish 1 mythic to 99 stage1


ADL sets: A group of 5 will probably spend an entire run farming and killing 1 NM per day to complete a set of 5. That's 2 hours a day for 5 days.
Add in at best with 12 people 2 kills per run. Over the course of 3 days.
Leaves us with 16hours over the span of 8 days.

If anyone thinks my numbers are off please let me know.

tldr: PW takes 4days per Mythic, but 20hours per person, ADL takes 8 days per Relic, but 16hours per person.

[MarkovChain]

Here is the minimal set up I see possible for ADL : 3 MNK/WARs with vere 90+, 1 BRD, 1 SMN.
If you are a group of 12 you can keep the 3 MNK/WAR as the setup doesn't rely on hundredfists (but 2x marches), soulvoice may not be meeded either (especially if gjallharhorn). So basically It amounts to the number of SMN you are bringing in. To be safe a groupe of 4 MNKs, 1 BRD, 1 WHM, 1 THF, and 5 smn (=12) will be able to pop 5 sets.

Here is the minimal setup for a popset : MNK(/NIN or /THF) and WHM(/THF or /RDM). The NIN/BST NM is semi dangerous due to mijin but as monk it doesn't kill you. The RDM/BRD one has nothing special beside chainspell, but WHM is there for cureskin. The THF/DRK mob is just slighty longer because of PD. The only semi difficult one is the SMN/PLD NM, whm can sleep the avatar (except carbuncle) and in case astral flow goes of you'll be glad to know it doesn't kill the monk. The mini NM that drop DL pops are jokes for any soloer. DL itself can be killed with sherzo and EA right before ADL.

[wish12oz]

DL itself can be killed with sherzo and EA right before ADL.

So you admit you can't duo that popset for ADL now?

Still waiting to see a video fo that 6 man ADL, or you to admit it can't be done like you did with duoing pop sets.

[Nynja]

he backpedaled and said DL can be killed with the full group before popping ADL

anything can be done on paper though:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...64501836652849
run from every battle that you can, crit all boss fights and have all boss's miss you with every attack, or instakill...Which works on paper, not in practice (unless you have savestates)

how about actually duoing the NM's and offering proof of said paperplan?

[Shadowsong]

Here is the minimal set up I see possible for ADL :

Quoted and bolded for the lulz

[MarkovChain]

Still waiting to see a video fo that 6 man ADL, or you to admit it can't be done like you did with duoing pop sets.

That is because you don't read what I say. First I've already said before that NQ DL would be killed right before ADL, so no I'm not backpedalling. Secondly, when I said that it was in the context of farming several popset as different groups and THEN on another run, gather with other people and pop multiple times. So in this context, killing DL as duo serves no purpose. Finally I originally said that you can farm a popset with 2-3 players. You will kill nq DL with as low as 3 people, just need to be clever and not use jobs that suck like nynja. I mean a trio of BLM THF DRK will not go far even though they are DD. BRD,MNK,MNK will do eet.

[Dart]

Are dumb lol ? Are you going to solo JoL when you 've bought the pops ? zing. You actually need less people for ADL than what was required to do JoL plus the pop are about 10 times faster to get (and easier). zing zing.

the discussion was about farming the pop not actually killing it. So i'm right, you're wrong. Deal with it.

Besides the guy who can't post proof of his claims has no right to call anyone out (I can easily post a video of me buying a pop set!), You're the ultimate hypocrite.