Dynamis: way too much junk.

[Dreamin]

Thousands of players throughout the course of the many years of dynamis has learned how to pass and he's just refusing to have his players learned how to pass and instead wanted SE to dedicate resources in solving what seems to be a problem only to him and his group. I'm just amazed. Pure and simply amazed at this.

[Yinnyth]

I read the whole thread before replying Yinnyth and please forgive me if this comes off harsher than i mean it to




That's your problem right there, its two-fold. 1) Your group is doing autosort when it comes to currency and 2) You are running with the wrong sort of group.

When my group actual logs on to do something and it turns out to be new-dynamis, we are usually 4-6 ppl strong. We kill pretty fast and never have a problem with drops.

1-We have an assigned currency lotter. This alleviates alot of grief right there. i don't care how fast you all are killing, you still have to proc and that can take a bit on stubborn mobs; if the assigned lotter has lotted, the currency will drop to him when pool kicks the item out as long as his inv has space. After the run it should take no more that a couple min to figure total currency drop and each member's cut.

Of course when time gets low, this breaks down a bit. You will have some currency going to whoever if they dont pass. And this brings me to

2-Set up your group better. If ppl in your group don't want an item, tell them upfront they will have to pass it and if that's too much trouble they dont have to come on the run. Period. If they are gonna have issue passing currency after the 5 min mark, they dont have to come on the run. Period.

See the pattern there?

Basically, if you are in charge of the group, you need to be in charge of the group. And if your members don't agree with the way things go, they need to move on. Expecting SE to change drop systems in one zone(excuse me here if i'm wrong, but got the distinct impression that you all farm dyna-tav all the time) because you guys don't structure your group better just doesn't work. Dynamis is a lowman event now, if ppl in your group cant get that, they shouldn't be in your group to begin with.

We don't slow down to wait on proc. That's probably the biggest difference. We used to do that until we had a few magic-proc mobs who took over 2 minutes to proc with a brd cycling threnodies and a whm spamming debuffs. It's just not worth it to wait on procs. Should still try by spamming JAs on JA-proc enemies, but don't sit there staring at the thing for 120 seconds until a red !! appears.

I'm curious though, does your entire group immediately pass pop items and AF2 so that it disappears from the loot pool altogether? Or do you allow it to just sit there until it autos?

[Yinnyth]

Thousands of players throughout the course of the many years of dynamis has learned how to pass and he's just refusing to have his players learned how to pass and instead wanted SE to dedicate resources in solving what seems to be a problem only to him and his group. I'm just amazed. Pure and simply amazed at this.

You seem to think that my group is a bunch of bumbling retards who would kill a vanguard eye in Beauc and wonder why it didn't give them a time extension. (haha, Dynamis humor. Only the rearguard eye gives time, not vanguard eyes, but I'm sure you knew that). Passing something takes time. Passing ten things takes ten times that amount of time. Having 6 people pass ten things takes 60 times that amount of man-hours. Which is man-hours I'd rather they spent on killing more stuff, if possible. Were you aware that the game actually has an internal time restriction on how frequently you can make interactions with the loot pool? Yes, if you try to pass everything in the loot pool very quickly, 1/2 to 2/3 of your pass attempts will go ignored and need to be repeated. What fun!

We're not a solo person in Dynamis. If everything goes well, we have no downtime, there's a constant stream of pulls coming in to kill. If one person stops to pick their nose, everything could go wrong. A scorpion might not get silenced or stunned when it wakes up and breakga everyone. So no, I'd rather not have my members digging around in the loot pool when there's actual work to be done.

[Yinnyth]

The opposition to my requests is clearly too strong, and all my attempts at compromise have gone unnoticed. It has been foolish for me to carry on as long as I have, and it would be even more foolish for me to carry on any longer. As such, I accept defeat and will tell my linkshell that they must all pass or lot every piece of AF2, AF2-1, relic weapons, pop items, hydra gear, exp scrolls, CoP boss weakening items, fiendish tomes, and any other rare and/or exclusive item in the loot pool as soon as it drops so as to keep the loot pool clean. If they fail to comply, they will be removed from linkshell.

Thank you all for your time and feedback, and I apologize for making such ludicrous requests.

[Dreamin]

Again, I'm only stating the fact that thousands and thousands of players all learned how to pass throughout the old days of Dynamis during some of the most craziest time. Certainly I understands that many ppl are going in still not just solo'ing but doing small group (3+).

Other than all mobs are already popped and NM needs to be popped with trigger, there really isn't anything new or special (okay mobs are stupidly easy too in there). Links still needed to be handled (again nothing new). So, which part of the new dynamis has made it so difficult such that you can't have your ppl learned how to pass???

Still amazed...still can't get over that fact ppl don't know how to pass in dynamis. Maybe it's because that was the absolutely 1st thing I learned when I 1st step foot into dynamis years ago.

So I'm curious, anyone who has ever done dynamis has a problem with passing loot and not being able to handle your 'job' inside? Be it healing, melee lead (back in the old days), sleeper, puller? I would venture to say it's a big NO if you ever wanted to be successful in dynamis. If you ever had to completely stopped what you're doing to pass, then you're doing dynamis WRONG.

I'm sorry, your problem isn't that there are loots that is messing up the drop and getting autodisturbed, your problem is that you have ppl who doesn't know how to pass.

[Aarahs]

How he runs his group shouldn't matter to anyone else. Though I admit that discovering how paranoid he is over currency drops that he won't even consider collecting them once the run finishes for distribution is a bit unfortunate. However, trying to punish everyone just because your group refuses to slow down enough to lot/pass is rediculous.

[Lukikii]

Edit: Nevermind.

Thank you all for your time. I will take the lessons you have taught me back to my linkshell and we will learn to deal with the problem ourselves.

Too bad you are allowed to edit out your original post just because you don't like the responses.

[Moink]

Pretty Sure he forgot he quoted his OP back in page 3 but i'm going to repost it incase it auto-sorts off the thread entirely <3

I've been running my Dynamis linkshell for quite a while. I remember Xarc runs where we hit the zone (and linkshell) cap so other people simply couldn't get in. Lately, my linkshell is lucky to get 6 people to show up for a run. However, we produce more items in the loot pool now with 6 people than all those years ago with 64 people. And a good portion of what we produce, NO ONE WANTS.

It's junk, and there's tons of it. AF2, relic weapons, pop items, AF2-1, forgs, crafting items, exp scrolls, hydra gear, and even more AF2 because the drop rate is ridiculously high now. Even with just 6 people, we frequently kill so quickly that the loot pool fills up with 9 ra/ex items (mostly AF2), so the rest of the loot auto-sorts upon killing an enemy with no chance of being lotted.

My requests are:
Remove the junk:
1. Remove the old system of pop items for neo NMs. Instead, have ONE pop item for ALL neo NMs in that zone, make it not rare or ex, and make it stack to 12.
2. Remove the AF2-1 completely. There's a trial to upgrade to +2 now. We don't need 2 methods to reach the same goal.
3. Destroy the hydra fellow gear. That gear which drops off taurii, enhances your adventuring fellow's stats by a laughably small amount, and no one wants.
4. Remove all exp scrolls.
5. Remove all crafting materials which can be found in other zones (beastcoins).

Compartmentalize what remains:
Make it so higher tier enemies in each zone don't drop AF2, relic weapons, or crafting materials. People who want those things don't target the higher tier mobs anyways.

edit: Alerith is right, I miss-typed +1. There is no trial for +1

[Yinnyth]

Too bad you are allowed to edit out your original post just because you don't like the responses.

If you would like to see my OP with one edit to a number I typo'd, see reply number 24. I'm not afraid to hide the fact that I was wrong. What would you like me to do about it? Would you like me to re-edit my OP back in? I'm being sincere, yet I'm still treated like someone who attempted to do harm to everyone who posts on these forums. I have yet to receive ONE "Like!" on any of my posts, which was the big indicator that I should just stop and accept what people are telling me. Is there more that I should do to reform myself?

I already apologized and said I would take what was told to heart. I editted my OP so no one would think I still hold those beliefs, yet I left a quote of my OP so anyone who wants to hate me for what I used to believe is welcome to do so. And finally, I admitted defeat. What else do you wish from me?

Edit: I added another edit to my OP referencing people to reply 24. I hope this satisfies your disbelief of my sincerity.

[Yinnyth]

Pretty Sure he forgot he quoted his OP back in page 3 but i'm going to repost it incase it auto-sorts off the thread entirely <3

I did not forget, nor should any of you. Those are beliefs I once held. I editted my OP because the OP is what sets the tone for the whole thread, and I no longer wish for this thread to be about the beliefs I once held. Again, if you wish to see how foolish I was, see reply #24. Or hell, read the whole thread and see me attempt to defend those points against overwhelming opposition. It truly was foolish of me.

You are welcome to your opinions of me, and I have no desire to bury any emotions you felt while reading my requests earlier. I merely wish to stop stoking the fire which is burning down my house. As such, I admit I was wrong and request forgiveness. I know it is hard to detect tone in text, and we all tend to apply our own. If I were speaking these words to you IRL, I would hope you would detect my tone is sincere, not sarcastic.

I lack all desire to protect these points any longer. You may see what they were on reply #24, but as it stands, I have no requests remaining. Do as you will. Think as you will.