lolRelic Weapon? SE what have you done?

[Flunklesnarkin]

If relics were so easy to obtain, why didn't we see everyone own one before empyrean weapons release? Both mythics and relics need a serious boost compared to empyreans.

I feel the game is moving forward.. forcing people to do an outdated event geared for lvl 75 people (ie dynamis)

just to obtain the best weapon in the game (relic if they uber buffed it for some reason) wouldn't make sense.


Dynamis has had its time in the sun. Relic weapons are still decent.. they aren't the best.. nor should they be..

[Rambus]

This is not wow! everyone is intitled to thier opions but I really want to know why say such things like this:

Dynamis has had its time in the sun. Relic weapons are still decent.. they aren't the best.. nor should they be..

A new item does not automatically mean progress. my case and point is Jet Seraweels. People would argue till they where blue in the face in saying they were better, pay more for them when it was new and call it progress.

Making relic/ mythic weapons easier to get just because people feel its progress that emps should be better does not make sense to me. Like i said before SE does throw random things on gear, this is no different. I’m sure this situation with relic and mythic is because they do not know. Like they said about SMN that one time they only change things if x number of people speak up on a situation. So I am here speaking up.

everyone that has one of these weapons or knows the work that go into them all say the same thing, they need to be fixed! there should be a reason to get other mythics then WHM club and SMN staff, that problem exist ever since mythics came out!

[Flunklesnarkin]

Yah.. but making the best item in the game.. something from a level 75 event?

I'm not saying relics shouldn't be in the top few weapons.. i just don't think they should be the best....

[Rambus]

Yah.. but making the best item in the game.. something from a level 75 event?

I'm not saying relics shouldn't be in the top few weapons.. i just don't think they should be the best....

Game is still based on level 75 rules, the "progress" so far is fake.

if you want to know why see my long thread of all the imbalances this game has from that.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ess-consderns/
that is only a few though like I did not tuch PLD problems from enmity caps, rules like that is ment for a game at 75 in CoP era.

What should be best then? I like to know what should be and reasons for it. like I said this is not wow emps do not deserve that title.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Game is still based on level 75 rules, the "progress" so far is fake.

if you want to know why see my long thread of all the imbalances this game has from that.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ess-consderns/
that is only a few though like did not tuch PLD problems from enmity caps, rules like that is ment for a game at 75 in CoP era.

What should be best then? I like to know what should be and reasons for it? like I said this is not wow emps do not deserve that title.

You are right .. there is no truly challenging content in the game atm..

I fail to see how making relics the best weapons in the game will fix the imbalances tho

I felt that empyreans were a step in the right direction.. they don't require massive amounts of gil.. just skill and competence.. although i wish they were harder to obtain.

The ease was probably a byproduct of abyssea / atma / cruor buffs

I'm certain they will release some omfgwtfbbq weapons by the time the lvl 99 update is released..

maybe lvl 99 empyrean trials will require you to fight w/o atma / cruor buffs.. that would be fun

[Rambus]

You are right .. there is no truly challenging content in the game atm..

I fail to see how making relics the best weapons in the game will fix the imbalances tho

I felt that empyreans were a step in the right direction.. they don't require massive amounts of gil.. just skill and competence.. although i wish they were harder to obtain.

The ease was probably a byproduct of abyssea / atma / cruor buffs

I'm certain they will release some omfgwtfbbq weapons by the time the lvl 99 update is released..

maybe lvl 99 empyrean trials will require you to fight w/o atma / cruor buffs.. that would be fun

it wont solve all imbalances, thats the point of the thread I linked you. I really do not want to state how to fix PLD and enmity caps because people have thier own stance wether if PLD should be DD/tank or tank with more hate grabing tools. The problem with the hate grabing tools goes back to the problem of the enmity cap that is ment for 75... ( or was in place cuz of ps2limtation I do not know im not SE)

As for weapons though you can see there is a lot of resentment of older players of making relics weak. I agree dyna needs to appeal to people to have reason to do that event, same with salvage and assault.
The weapon balance should be relic > mythic > emp and it the only order I can make sence of things. Having it any other way means no reason to do those older events, no reason to update them. I do not think this game can make enough content to replace the older stuff unless SE drops the PS2. You need too much data to replace that content with all new concepts, this is why to this day I am shocked they are trying to brake 75. The only solution I can come up with is that those events would be recycled in some way ( the relic armor is use to build into new gear) and have the difficulty raised to appeal to 90/99.
I just cannot picture making new weapons (mythics) then totally forgetting them and making them obsolete. Most mythics where junk at 75, and still are and yet there is magin trials for them. There is no trials for say V fork or other such things so that alone tells me SE is trying to keep them relevant. When you look at PW staff, dejore, that alacropse ( I don’t know that magic acc staff from T4 zeni) it shows SE does throw stats on weapons without knowing the effects of them ( making new weapons to underperform level 51 staffs is lol).

speaking of staffs im tried of using level 51 staffs because I have no inv/ time to do 20-30 magin weapons to replace them

[newzarb]

This is not wow!

Exactly.

I couldn't say more than Rambus said except the fact that I consider having a relic isn't only having the best weapon for your job, it's also an achievment. Since I obtained mine 2.5 years ago, I pretty much stopped playing my other jobs and leveling new ones because I'm proud of it and honored my linkshell chose me to upgrade a relic.

Many relic owners feel probably the same and even more those who actually had to farm gils for months to sponsor dynamis and don't want to see them outdated compared to weapons that are so easy to obtain.

So yeah either boost relics/mythics or make last empyreans trials "worth it" which won't happen since the game is on easy mode nowadays.

[Darkren]

Exactly.

I couldn't say more than Rambus said except the fact that I consider having a relic isn't only having the best weapon for your job, it's also an achievment. Since I obtained mine 2.5 years ago, I pretty much stopped playing my other jobs and leveling new ones because I'm proud of it and honored my linkshell chose me to upgrade a relic.

Many relic owners feel probably the same and even more those who actually had to farm gils for months to sponsor dynamis and don't want to see them outdated compared to weapons that are so easy to obtain.

So yeah either boost relics/mythics or make last empyreans trials "worth it" which won't happen since the game is on easy mode nowadays.

Grats on getting your relic in a "proper way", I know it must suck for you with all the hard work done. However I am quite glad that all those RMT feeders got butthurt now with the new empyreans being better.

Every type of gear is in east mode now, not just empyrean weapons, people also spent years getting sky/salvage/sea/etc gear only for it to be put in storage now. I guess the game just moves on.

[Sama]

As for weapons though you can see there is a lot of resentment of older players of making relics weak. I agree dyna needs to appeal to people to have reason to do that event, same with salvage and assault.
The weapon balance should be relic > mythic > emp and it the only order I can make sence of things.

Couldn't agree more... Thank you Rambus.

[Alhanelem]

if going purely by difficulty of obtaining, it should be mythic > relic > emp; mythics are far, far more difficult to obtain.