lolRelic Weapon? SE what have you done?

[Rambus]

LOL hardest piece of weapon.... try spamming glavoid pops and izapot or worse apedameks... but beside that ... Mythic is the hardest by far.... post 75 the relics become retarded... kill 1500 of this mob or 2k of that... for something that doesnt even compare in most cases to the emperions..... i do concur they should beef them up just so it would be worth doing for anyone that doesnt have one yet

I do not want to hear it, I had a LS mate doing dagger emp. now when you compare having to deal with glavoid or h2h emp compared to other emps, yeah its stupid that there is that imbalance in diffculty. That does not stop you from making an EXP pt, kill mobs with elemental ws, and getting the KIs from chests. I did that my self for my sword ( more of a soloable path but i suck at soloing for the most part, i hate it and like people interaction). Anyways after getting the KIs go pop the stupid thing and brew it and go back to collecting the kis from chests.

the 80-85 stage is all easy because they drop +2 item

85-90 can be brewed again, there is even small groups that would cour farm and go brew and collect KIs for eachother.

In otherwords emp weapons are SOLOABLE and FREE, it may take more time but there is no way in hell you can say that about mythics and relics.

your right about something yes relic trials are easier, I got to level 80 in 42 hrs. however It takes longer to get the base done, some people take a few months to get a relic, some a few years ( I took 5, I went though a lot of crap for mine). you have to wait around 10-11 days that is forced on you in waiting, in that time you can easly get an 85 emp done.

In theory mythics do sound harder, but if someone is going to tell me they have both and they find relic harder, most likey thats a server price issue or that he has a salavge farming group. I am not going to tell someone yeah your wrong that relics are harder then mythics even though your telling me that is not the case. I was in a salavge group for a bit, I said I just want alex, I do not want the gear and they all agreed and gave them to me.

Talking about this quote if your wondering:

It's jealousy, been a relic and a empy holder take it from me the relic was the harder to make and should be the number one weapon, half of these people posting against relics are just fools who would never get one and are just to damn lazy to work for the gil to get a relic, so they get easy mode emps and then demand they stay the best weapon.

I tell you something these so called casual players make me sick.

[Dallas]

I have a solution, just lower the currency requirement for trash relic and mythic weapons down to about 30 million gil. That means 6k alexandrite, and about 4k(?) currency (7k with 3k refund). It's not like anyone will use the weapons anyway.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Idk if they would seriously make an npc that sells currency...

it might be an easy , albeit less than satisfactory solution to fixing the alexandrite situation.

I feel they should just adjust the drop rates of currency to a more acceptable level that way people still have to do the event if they happen to want a relic / mythic for w/e reason.

[Rambus]

This is not wow! everyone is intitled to thier opions but I really want to know why say such things like this:

Dynamis has had its time in the sun. Relic weapons are still decent.. they aren't the best.. nor should they be..

A new item does not automatically mean progress. my case and point is Jet Seraweels. People would argue till they where blue in the face in saying they were better, pay more for them when it was new and call it progress.

Making relic/ mythic weapons easier to get just because people feel its progress that emps should be better does not make sense to me. Like i said before SE does throw random things on gear, this is no different. I’m sure this situation with relic and mythic is because they do not know. Like they said about SMN that one time they only change things if x number of people speak up on a situation. So I am here speaking up.

everyone that has one of these weapons or knows the work that go into them all say the same thing, they need to be fixed! there should be a reason to get other mythics then WHM club and SMN staff, that problem exist ever since mythics came out!

[newzarb]

This is not wow!

Exactly.

I couldn't say more than Rambus said except the fact that I consider having a relic isn't only having the best weapon for your job, it's also an achievment. Since I obtained mine 2.5 years ago, I pretty much stopped playing my other jobs and leveling new ones because I'm proud of it and honored my linkshell chose me to upgrade a relic.

Many relic owners feel probably the same and even more those who actually had to farm gils for months to sponsor dynamis and don't want to see them outdated compared to weapons that are so easy to obtain.

So yeah either boost relics/mythics or make last empyreans trials "worth it" which won't happen since the game is on easy mode nowadays.

[Darkren]

Exactly.

I couldn't say more than Rambus said except the fact that I consider having a relic isn't only having the best weapon for your job, it's also an achievment. Since I obtained mine 2.5 years ago, I pretty much stopped playing my other jobs and leveling new ones because I'm proud of it and honored my linkshell chose me to upgrade a relic.

Many relic owners feel probably the same and even more those who actually had to farm gils for months to sponsor dynamis and don't want to see them outdated compared to weapons that are so easy to obtain.

So yeah either boost relics/mythics or make last empyreans trials "worth it" which won't happen since the game is on easy mode nowadays.

Grats on getting your relic in a "proper way", I know it must suck for you with all the hard work done. However I am quite glad that all those RMT feeders got butthurt now with the new empyreans being better.

Every type of gear is in east mode now, not just empyrean weapons, people also spent years getting sky/salvage/sea/etc gear only for it to be put in storage now. I guess the game just moves on.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Yah.. but making the best item in the game.. something from a level 75 event?

I'm not saying relics shouldn't be in the top few weapons.. i just don't think they should be the best....

[Rambus]

Yah.. but making the best item in the game.. something from a level 75 event?

I'm not saying relics shouldn't be in the top few weapons.. i just don't think they should be the best....

Game is still based on level 75 rules, the "progress" so far is fake.

if you want to know why see my long thread of all the imbalances this game has from that.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ess-consderns/
that is only a few though like I did not tuch PLD problems from enmity caps, rules like that is ment for a game at 75 in CoP era.

What should be best then? I like to know what should be and reasons for it. like I said this is not wow emps do not deserve that title.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Game is still based on level 75 rules, the "progress" so far is fake.

if you want to know why see my long thread of all the imbalances this game has from that.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ess-consderns/
that is only a few though like did not tuch PLD problems from enmity caps, rules like that is ment for a game at 75 in CoP era.

What should be best then? I like to know what should be and reasons for it? like I said this is not wow emps do not deserve that title.

You are right .. there is no truly challenging content in the game atm..

I fail to see how making relics the best weapons in the game will fix the imbalances tho

I felt that empyreans were a step in the right direction.. they don't require massive amounts of gil.. just skill and competence.. although i wish they were harder to obtain.

The ease was probably a byproduct of abyssea / atma / cruor buffs

I'm certain they will release some omfgwtfbbq weapons by the time the lvl 99 update is released..

maybe lvl 99 empyrean trials will require you to fight w/o atma / cruor buffs.. that would be fun

[Rambus]

You are right .. there is no truly challenging content in the game atm..

I fail to see how making relics the best weapons in the game will fix the imbalances tho

I felt that empyreans were a step in the right direction.. they don't require massive amounts of gil.. just skill and competence.. although i wish they were harder to obtain.

The ease was probably a byproduct of abyssea / atma / cruor buffs

I'm certain they will release some omfgwtfbbq weapons by the time the lvl 99 update is released..

maybe lvl 99 empyrean trials will require you to fight w/o atma / cruor buffs.. that would be fun

it wont solve all imbalances, thats the point of the thread I linked you. I really do not want to state how to fix PLD and enmity caps because people have thier own stance wether if PLD should be DD/tank or tank with more hate grabing tools. The problem with the hate grabing tools goes back to the problem of the enmity cap that is ment for 75... ( or was in place cuz of ps2limtation I do not know im not SE)

As for weapons though you can see there is a lot of resentment of older players of making relics weak. I agree dyna needs to appeal to people to have reason to do that event, same with salvage and assault.
The weapon balance should be relic > mythic > emp and it the only order I can make sence of things. Having it any other way means no reason to do those older events, no reason to update them. I do not think this game can make enough content to replace the older stuff unless SE drops the PS2. You need too much data to replace that content with all new concepts, this is why to this day I am shocked they are trying to brake 75. The only solution I can come up with is that those events would be recycled in some way ( the relic armor is use to build into new gear) and have the difficulty raised to appeal to 90/99.
I just cannot picture making new weapons (mythics) then totally forgetting them and making them obsolete. Most mythics where junk at 75, and still are and yet there is magin trials for them. There is no trials for say V fork or other such things so that alone tells me SE is trying to keep them relevant. When you look at PW staff, dejore, that alacropse ( I don’t know that magic acc staff from T4 zeni) it shows SE does throw stats on weapons without knowing the effects of them ( making new weapons to underperform level 51 staffs is lol).

speaking of staffs im tried of using level 51 staffs because I have no inv/ time to do 20-30 magin weapons to replace them