Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Greatguardian]

Also, on the key issue. Why can't an Abyssea party share the cost of the keys? By the way, I am not trying to do away with Abyss, I have 90 jobs and do go in myself sometimes. I would just like to see both types of play survive.

I don't know about you, but if I feel the need to bless a party with my presence I dare say I won't be paying to do it. They should consider themselves lucky I'm not charging them.

[Krystal]

Do you really only play this game with total strangers? I find it hard to believe that none of these people can dig into their friends list or linkshell and not find 5 like minded individuals to do this with.

and what of the new players with no friendlist or the ones who friends have left? no one ever looks at anything beyond their own clouded vision...i swear...i have looked at all aspects and have determined many causes and possible fixes to make FFXI a more enjoyable place for us all. and yet lazy players seem to think my ideas"are not fun" or they go"i'll ragequit if that happens" when what it boils down to is this...they won't...if cap gets raised they will bitch...they will fume...but they won't ragequit. also i have already noticed a possibly quote counter insult in my reply so i have this to say in response to it. My vision is not clouded. it's your views who seem to only be seeing one end"the easy way to get to level 90 and go woot to brag about my e-peen!" i'm going to laugh my ass off when all these lazy players lose their level 90s and start raging in the forums when FFXI does get shut either due to abyssea not getting fixed or just simple age of the game. to me..this is just a game. but a game i enjoy and will ride out till the end...providing SE don't murder it first with any farther updates that make the whiners and complainers about"this game is too hard!" happy. with each Update to make this game"easier" the more players they lose...when the exp increase was introduced 15 people on my friendlist left with their messages saying"game is too easy....no challenge anymore." or a likewise message.

[Greatguardian]

and what of the new players with no friendlist or the ones who friends have left? no one ever looks at anything beyond their own clouded vision...i swear...i have looked at all aspects and have determined many causes and possible fixes to make FFXI a more enjoyable place for us all. and yet lazy players seem to think my ideas"are not fun" or they go"i'll ragequit if that happens" when what it boils down to is this...they won't...if cap gets raised they will bitch...they will fume...but they won't ragequit. also i have already noticed a possibly quote counter insult in my reply so i have this to say in responce to it. My vision is not clouded. it's your views who seem to only be seeing one end"the easy way to get to level 90 and go woot to brag about my e-peen!" i'm going to laugh my ass off when all these lazy players lose their level 90s and start raging in the forums when FFXI does get shut either due to abyssea not getting fixed or juts simple age of the game. to me..this is just a game. but a game i enjoy and will ride out till the end...providing SE don't murder it first with any farther updates that make the whiners and complainers about"this game is too hard!" happy. with each Update to make this game"easier" the more players they lose...when the exp increase was introduced 15 people on my friendlist left with their messages saying"game is too easy....no challenge anymore." or a likewise message.

You just have lots of strawmen. There's a huge difference. All of the people you say are being slighted, and doing the slighting, are hypothetical plebes whose numbers you inflate because you "feel" they should be at a certain level. You're not noticing any trend because it's there. You're noticing what you want to notice.

[Odintius]

I say let the main leader in alliance have the option to set rules for exp level limit. Then another rule if your not engage on cause any damage on a mob in like 2minute time frame you dont gain exp.

[Greatguardian]

I say let the main leader in alliance have the option to set rules for exp level limit.

I have no problem with this. But if they're at all competent they should know what the levels of their party members are in the first place. I suppose it does help prevent people from staying /anon and trying to trick them, though. And it doesn't really harm anyone.

Then another rule if your not engage on cause any damage on a mob in like 2minute time frame you dont gain exp.

This, however, is just bad for a lot of reasons. WHM and BRD don't exist any more or something?

[Krystal]

You just have lots of strawmen. There's a huge difference. All of the people you say are being slighted, and doing the slighting, are hypothetical plebes whose numbers you inflate because you "feel" they should be at a certain level. You're not noticing any trend because it's there. You're noticing what you want to notice.

once again attacking my creditability....good lord....people never stop when they get scared...do they?

[Ramsos]

wall of text.

This is incredibly selfish of you to deprive people of being able to leech abyssea. I paid my dues. I had 8 75 jobs before even level sync existed, let alone abyssea. If I feel like leveling a new job, why should I have to struggle with the old way of leveling. It is not hard to learn how to play a job. The wiki works for when you first learn how to play a job, and BG exists for if you actually want to play a job properly.

In essence, why should SE change a system that works so that a small minority can re-live their "glory days" of when leveling was "a challenge". Yeah, I said minority. Come get me.

[Greatguardian]

once again attacking my creditability....good lord....people never stop when they get scared...do they?

I can provide examples of people who sucked before level sync existed. What examples do you have of people who meet the following criteria:

1) Leveled 30-90 in Abyssea for every job they have
2) Have no skills capped, and otherwise totally suck at the game
3) Sane people actually find them credible
4) Sane people actually allow them to influence their gaming experience negatively

Providing examples of players who quit because no one will party with them would be nice, but counterproductive since it only shows that you and other likeminded fellows don't practice what you preach.

Edit: inb4 "Lots of people, everyone knows it, you're just scared"

[Zagen]

Frankly the whole "key master" thing is bogus in my book..but it's a system that "works" well. the diff is this:A level 75 have worked their but off earning their levels outside of abby..so one person out of the lot getting the "easy route" from 75+ being a key master is okay for me. but for any who are lower than that they are simply just wanting to "burn to 90 just to make that job 90" and any who say otherwise is full of crap! becuase a person who worked that job to 75 knows it and actually wants to play it. my idea is this...if you don't like a job....DON'T LEVEL IT! don't leach it to 90 just to brag you have a job at 90..and that's what these abby noobs are doing. they could care less about the job. they just want another level 90 for bragging rights.

Is it bragging when my LS or friends say they need a BLM for yellow !! and I say I have 90 BLM because I burned it in Abyssea over 3 days? How about my MNK that I burned from 42-90 so that my LS and friends would have another tanking option and a solo option for myself? How about my WAR I burned from 35-90 and then skilled all weapons needed for Red !!s so that was another option available? I play those jobs better than a large amount of people I've partied with that were on them and I'm even better geared on them usually. Was that luck on my part since I didn't learn how to play them by leveling outside Abyssea?

I burn jobs because its helpful to myself and/or others. I'm ok with Abyssea burning because I don't see a difference between a level 30+ "key master" and a level 75+ "key master" as I know in a good group it is a full time job and you don't need to be 75+ to know how to do it. I also don't see the difference between a level 30+ newb and a 75+ newb, I take the time to read up/ask questions on a given job so I know how to play it decently, neither of these are done through partying outside of Abyssea.

Also LOL at thinking getting a job to cap gives you bragging rights. Unless you mean offering a job to help a group is bragging about it. Beating Maat on RDM would give you some bragging rights assuming its your first job.

[Odintius]

I for one didnt count in buffer support and whm im sure if your doing your job in healing and buffs ect there be another add rule for them.