Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Rocman]

I really like Krystal...

[HFX7686]

*rolls eyes* there will be players who don't know the job..sure..that's a given...but MOST OF THEM..will know it if they leveled the job outside of abyssea the proper way. no smn burns...so level sync leaching...the proper way.

Who are you to decide what the proper way to level is?

[Greatguardian]

Who are you to decide what the proper way to level is?

An elite, hardcore player who can do missions without a walkthrough and shit. It's Starcade syndrome at its finest.

[Mrbeansman]

*rolls eyes* there will be players who don't know the job..sure..that's a given...but MOST OF THEM..will know it if they leveled the job outside of abyssea the proper way. no smn burns...so level sync leaching...the proper way.

Actually a great majority (not minority which you are so fond of) won't.

[hiko]

Icestein, I think that's an important point being overlooked by a lot of the complaints about leeching.

Many of the leechers are LS mates/friends of the leader of either the alliance or individual parties, and thus usually have certain rules that apply to the leechers. Maybe they are more offended that they can't get into a party to leech because the leaders have restrictions?

When we started doing it, you could only leech if you were opening boxes--thus, once we hit 3 leeches, no more were allowed. Everyone had to ask beforehand, and we kept a list of people and had a priority--you had to wait your turn.

Now, we have several people who can cleave for us, and a few RDM's to buff them. So, we'll set a day to tag team the WAR and RDM roles, make a list of attendees, and make a day out of it. The new rule is if you want to leech, you HAVE to bring and USE 100 keys BEFORE you can go AFK. We hold a spot for the first 18 people who sign up for it, and only take new members when they leave (or get dropped). If you go AFK without opening keys, or otherwise making plans to do so when someone finishes their spot...then you get bumped. It's crazy when a new group comes in sometimes. 3 or 4 people racing to see who can burn their 100 keys first...heheh.

Raist

HOLY CRAP. 17 flames in the time it took me to write this post. You people need to chill before this thread gets locked too.

racing to open chest can turn to be stupid if they blindly open em (ex leech opening 2h chest => the war kill next wave slower)

See Raen that is the difference between you and most abyssea lvled blus i have run into- you have your spells, learned your job, and play it like a pro. If there were more like you out there all this abyssea leeching crap would be a non-issue.

spend hours farming ALL your blu spells up to your current level then we'll talk "knowing the job" i don't doubt you can handle yourself but if you didn't farm all your blu spells then you're gimped. my blue may be level 51 atm but i have ALL spells up to my current level learned. i don't miss a single one..didn't on my last character and won't on this one

I learned more on BLU while PTing with good BLU than i did when i had acces to an alt with blu and farm the missings spells

and what do you do when your close friends have left the game due to the fact they don't like FFXI in it's current state? HHMMM? mr.i have a solution to everything.

Do yourself a favor (and most of us too) since you seem to don't like how FFXI become: follow em out of the game

Ya...your opinions on this matter are pretty much....well...i wouldn't say invalid since you do prove a point....Players want to gain levels the "easy way" and not the way that made this game great in the first place. so i suppose you did prove that point...

i never found the old system great, it's so great that i had a SINGLE 75 job for years,(before aht urgan release) did missions, events with that job (that wasn't even a top job) got my second 75 job AFTER wing of goddes release (and did near half >60 in campaign) and rather playing a "not top job" or left if i couldnt do "event" with my jobs than leveling the old boring way

[Greatguardian]

When was Level Sync released again? Maybe the solution is to simply link to the BG Gimp/Confused/WTF threads that existed *Prior* to all of these things. I assure you there were plenty of bad players in there. Heck, I think I make a cameo in one of them from like '06-'07 \o/. Man, that was bad.

[Skybrit]

Fair enough I guess, I mean it's not like you could just get together with those close friends and level the old fashion way oh wait.

Read before you reply please. Those people are going away because that part of the game is suffering.

[Greatguardian]

Read before you reply please. Those people are going away because that part of the game is suffering.

I would say that I've personally seen far more players joining or coming back to the game than leaving, but someone somewhere would probably call them all bad people for wanting to come back when exp is less annoying or something.

[Mrbeansman]

Read before you reply please. Those people are going away because that part of the game is suffering.

Do you really only play this game with total strangers? I find it hard to believe that none of these people can dig into their friends list or linkshell and not find 5 like minded individuals to do this with.

[Skybrit]

Do you really only play this game with total strangers? I find it hard to believe that none of these people can dig into their friends list or linkshell and not find 5 like minded individuals to do this with.

No, these are friends along with others that are leaving the game. You can dig into your list and build parties and I do. It just gets harder and harder to do. I left a dying server and started a new LS and we do party together. I just don't want to see this server die out like my last one for the same reasons

Also, on the key issue. Why can't an Abyssea party share the cost of the keys? By the way, I am not trying to do away with Abyss, I have 90 jobs and do go in myself sometimes. I would just like to see both types of play survive.