Fix Coruscanti in the works?

[Sira]

because they use the weapon as it's meant to be used, as well as using the weapon skill that is on it and the fact that AM stacked with ODSD. there's a laundry list of reasons why coruscanti is just the plain ideal off hand weapon not ideal main hand weapon.

[Kitkat]

Not same "big number" as abyssea. All you are doing is capping your crit rate, not crit damage which is were a good chunk of the "big number" in abyssea comes from for Evisceration. I still do 6-7k Mercy compared to peaks of 5.5~6k Evis. From what I've read the 4x dmg cannot proc on WS as a primary hit, but can on secondary/additional attacks (I may have misread this) meaning it doesn't allow for 16-20k eviscerations.

If anything the scenario you describe is highly unlikely, and even if it was common place it would only go to making consistent numbers with Evisceration. If anything these buffs would be better placed on an emp War or mnk, or Relic GS Reso spamming drk (or war) than it would be wasted on a thf since they would put out exponentially more damage than the thf with these buffs. For VWNM we bring very little in Party buffs (SB and eva down), in which I've only been specifically asked to go Thf to Pil just to strip hate off the tanks (Accomp/Collab) so they didn't die during Terror/doom eyes.

Congratulations on trying to make the Dagger far superior to Mandau though. It is still a very strong dagger but it isn't any more obtainable than emp or relic and doesn't appear to break any of the boundaries that emp or relic can't do better already without a bunch of very specific buffs to do so while performing better when given other more applicable buffs.

So while there are some changes that would be great to relic, your points are null/void in comparison to this dagger when some of the information is inaccurate or done in a biased variable environment (aka your scenario) that is very unlikely because it is to benefit a weapon that will under-perform a emp weilding thf or dnc. Because of the capped attack rate they would need to use Rudra's at 300% then could spam evisceration at 100% each time they hit it for the 90 sec duration of ODD (with 50% activation rate in comparison to 10% 4x dmg activation) on all hits of the main hand weapon.

To correct you by the way:

Thief Job Trait: Critical Attack Bonus IV = 14% CRIT Rate.

Critical Attack Bonus is not Critical Attack Rate; it increases the damage not the rate of critical hits.

[Ilax]

Let face the the ironic, i spammed Qilin over 100 time for 97 plate out of 1,500 needed.

Twashtar player will SPAM Qilin at least 1,500 time get 1,500 plate, even if Coruscanti is .1% chance, he will get it... How no one is complaining about this?

[Ilax]

Not same "big number" as abyssea. All you are doing is capping your crit rate, not crit damage which is were a good chunk of the "big number" in abyssea comes from for Evisceration. I still do 6-7k Mercy compared to peaks of 5.5~6k Evis.

You still comapre EVIS unstacked VS Mercy stacked, yes you can do 5~6k EVIS unstacked, no you can't do MS 6~7k unstacked.

If you have full haste buff, cor delay reduction, Attack bonus, crit rate roll, you obviously be spamming WS every 5 sec, and forget SA and TA, and if you spam Mercy stroke every 5 sec, you do it wrong, as dmg unstacked stink, and same apply for twastar.

Critical Attack Bonus is not Critical Attack Rate; it increases the damage not the rate of critical hits.

My bad you right, thanks for correcting that information.

[Sira]

being that by means of probability you would need to kill 500 to 1,000 qilins, i would say given what's on the weapon they have more than earned it at that point. It compliments weapons that have aftermath, not over-shadow.


edit: to put this into context that you can understand, by means of probability you will get a coruscanti after 416 to 833 days. still think you can get a coruscanti before you get a mandau?

[Kitkat]

Good job on misinterpretation (and trying to make me look stupid) while ignoring that I mentioned later a Twashtar Thf will destroy a Corsicanti Thf. All they have to do is use Rudra's to kick in the ODD then spam evis until Aftermath is down, rinse and repeat. I promise you they will not just out perform the Corsicanti by a small margarine, but by leaps and bounds due to the activation rate of ODD compared to the activation of 4x dmg proc.

Also, you want to compare a 10% to a 13% (why you compared lvl 90 relic to this is beyond me). The only possible crutch I see in this is if the 4x is allowed to proc on any hit of the weapon strike because then it is stronger than relic hidden, otherwise is it merely equal (and possibly weaker by 99 since no one knows if any additional boosts are being done yet, for all you know the hidden dmg might increase or percentage might increase again).

As far as Crit rate is concernted, I can get 10% crit rate from Aftermath which can then be applied ontop of additional crit rate buffs (including off hand) so long as I start off with a mercy (which if that is hard for you is...rather astounding). This means that I have a higher crit rate total for Evisceration spam between SA/TA timers and still a stronger WS to use when SA/TA is up. I'm sorry, but this dagger just isn't as good as you make it out to be. It is a good end-line if you don't have a relic or emp, but it is not stronger than either.

[Ilax]

otherwise is it merely equal (and possibly weaker by 99)

Just that part is sad if you ask me.

As far as Crit rate is concernted, I can get 10% crit rate from Aftermath which can then be applied ontop of additional crit rate buffs

You mark a good point there, but that a lots of "work" to just "equal" Coruscanti, and ya, no one really know what going to be the deal from "Afterglow". But i can tell you how tire i am to hear promise that never happen.

"Do the ~8,000 final blow, you be happy in the end!!" -Pfff ok ya.

I really hope you right KitKat, and no, i am not trying to make you look stupid, not even close to that.

[Asymptotic]

Let face the the ironic, i spammed Qilin over 100 time for 97 plate out of 1,500 needed.

Twashtar player will SPAM Qilin at least 1,500 time get 1,500 plate, even if Coruscanti is .1% chance, he will get it... How no one is complaining about this?

If the drop rate of Coruscanti is 0.1% as is reported, you only have a 78% chance of getting Coruscanti doing Qilin 1500 times. You'd need 3000 Qilin to "almost guarantee" the drop at 95% probability.

Even then, at 12 Qilin/Day that's 125 days to have a 78% chance at Coruscanti (250 days for 95%). In 125 days you have a 100% chance at getting Mandau. And Mandau is far superior as a Mainhand dagger - to both Twashtar and Coruscanti.

Regardless, no one who completes an Empyrean 95 will spam it 1500 times. They'll do Qilin, and do other things to make gil, and buy the plates from other players, so what you're suggesting is bullcrap in the first place.

[Ilax]

Regardless, no one who completes an Empyrean 95 will spam it 1500 times. They'll do Qilin, and do other things to make gil, and buy the plates from other players, so what you're suggesting is bullcrap in the first place.

Talk for yourself buddy as i/and friend spam Qilin to finish Empy. If everyone would think like you, no Plate would be in circulation. While you think "PROFIT", we think "PROGRESS". Not everyone have the luxury to toss 150m to 300m into an upgrade, and this say, as i know SE, it wont surprise me they NERF 1,500 to 150 by time i get 1250 plate, and at this point, i be able to upgrade 9 of my Empy for 0 GIL cost.

1% chance mean 1/100, .1% mean 1/1000, of course there still a CHANCE that you get it only after 3000 if real unlucky, you can also get it after 5 try and call yourself LUCKY, so your analogy is wrong. .1% = 1/1000, is not 78% or w/e you said, stop mixing odds.

Edit: We do Qilin 20 time per day, take 2:15 to 4 min max to kill. 1 round (x4) take max 30 min[including the gathering], 5 round take 3 hours max.

1500/20 = 75 Day max, or 225 hours if you prefer, you can still call me "bullcrap" if it amuse you. GL get 150m to 300m in 225 hours, but is free to dream.

[Kitkat]

Just that part is sad if you ask me.



You mark a good point there, but that a lots of "work" to just "equal" Coruscanti, and ya, no one really know what going to be the deal from "Afterglow". But i can tell you how tire i am to hear promise that never happen.

"Do the ~8,000 final blow, you be happy in the end!!" -Pfff ok ya.

I really hope you right KitKat, and no, i am not trying to make you look stupid, not even close to that.

I see it as no more work than swapping to WS gear in the first place, especially when looking at the fact I'll possibly do 2-3x more damage with that 1 WS when compared to unstacked Evis (and still more even against stacked evis). It only helps to further my performance over a Corsi Thf, which seems to be the primary point of your argument; that corsicanti is superior to emp or relic. It isn't because it is only a dagger with no aftermath and no superior WS to go with it. This is why it is the best non-relic/emp dagger, but isn't a superior mainhand if you have relic/emp.