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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilax View Post
    1% chance mean 1/100, .1% mean 1/1000, of course there still a CHANCE that you get it only after 3000 if real unlucky, you can also get it after 5 try and call yourself LUCKY, so your analogy is wrong. .1% = 1/1000, is not 78% or w/e you said, stop mixing odds.
    The odds of getting "Heads" when flipping a coin is 1/2.
    So every time I flip a coin, I should get heads at least once by the time I flip it the second time, right?

    The odds of getting a "6" when rolling a normal die is 1/6.
    So it's not possible to roll 1 six times in a row? OR maybe even 1 2 1 3 5? I'm always going to get a 6 if I roll it 6 times.

    Just like if a drop is 1/1000 I'll always get it by the 1000th time. Ever wonder how people can go 1/20 on a 10% drop?

    If so, it's because you don't understand probability. (Which you don't).
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    Don't even bother to explain me how ODDS is working, as i know exactly how it is.

    But if you want, i can toss some fun story... At my birthday, i went to casino, [October 13], and it was Friday, unlucky right? Well i guess...

    I was playing "Roulette", and my friend told me: Hey ray, you should put $$ on 13!!, and i was like, nah.. Guess what number came up? Yes you got it right!! 13!!, so chance was 1/38, Then my friend tell me:

    -Dude i told you to put it on 13 ahahaa, put $$ on 13!!

    Then i looked at him and told him, well dude common, chance 13 come out again is 1/38/38 (1/1444), i am not going to put $$ on that.. And guess what number came out again? Bingo 13 again! Wow... really? Then friend told me:

    -Dude you did not listen to me first time, and again you could have won lol, i am telling you, put on 13!!

    Then once again i looked at him and said: Are you retard or something, chance 13 come out again is 1/38/38/38, (1/54,872), so no i did not put my $$ on 13... But guess what came out? YES SIR, again 13, so before keep going this way and write 60 more line about it, i tell you the end of story, 13 came out 7x TIME in a row.

    What is moral of all this? Luck is luck dude, you can be shitty unlucky and you can be shitty lucky, it not changing the FACT 1% remain 1/100, in long run. If you want apply your spaghetti to Coruscanti, i could apply my 13 Casino to it too. The only part you are right, is saying how is "POSSIBLE" you wont get Coruscanti after 3,000 run, hell even after 100,000,000 run you still have change to not get it.
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    That's my entire point. You might not get it. In less than half the time it would take to "nearly guarantee" a Coruscanti to drop, for significantly less time/gil investment (voiddusts etc.), you can 100% guarantee yourself a Mandau.

    Anyway, I never said that 0.1% isn't 1/1000. All I said is that after 1500 Qilins, your chance of getting a drop that's 1/1000 is 78%.

    How did I do that math?

    Chance of getting a Coruscanti? (1/1000)
    Chance of getting something besides a Coruscanti? (999/1000)
    Chance of getting something besides a Coruscanti 2x in a row? (999/1000)^2 = 998/1000

    Chance of getting something besides a Coruscanti 1500 times in a row? (0.999)^1500 = 0.22 ---> 22%

    So there's a 78% chance of getting a Coruscanti after 1500 Qilins.

    Sure, you might get it sooner (I got it on Qilin #40). But 1 in 5 people still won't have it after doing 1500.

    Anyway, if you're spamming Qilin at a reasonable rate, you're going to quickly surpass the Voidstone regeneration rate (16 hours), and will have to resort to Voiddust (30-40k/pop) per server. So you'd be spending 450k/day (and probably over 4 hours considering gather times, waiting around, killing, re-stoning and getting more people) for 125 days just to have less than 80% chance at COruscanti, when you could have finished a Mandau in 60-90 days doing Dynamis for 2 hours/day with friend or a mule, which is a far superior Mainhand dagger to any other dagger out there (it's just not meant to be off-handed).

    tl;dr:

    1.) Cry more
    2.) Learn to do math, this is simple stuff here
    3.) Learn to type in English that doesn't make people's eyes bleed
    4.) Stop trying to offhand Mandau, you're doing it wrong
    5.) Learn to play your job
    6.) You're now up there with Rosina on "worst Official Forums posters in the history of the Official Forums." Congratulations. You earned it.

    I really don't know what it is. There's just something about Dagger jobs that attracts people with only half of a functioning brain.
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    Last edited by Asymptotic; 01-10-2012 at 09:08 AM.

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    Just out of curiosity.. why are people talking about how the severe damage proc works when it is 100% broken? How could anyone know that it is even 4x damage and procs on WS and works offhand when it doesn't work at all? Forgive me if someone asked this already.
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    Sira got it and it worked on the test server at some point. It didn't work on the main hit of the WS, only the offhand or double attack parts/etc. He can't log in anymore because his content ID is expired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asymptotic View Post
    tl;dr:

    1.) Cry more
    2.) Learn to do math, this is simple stuff here
    3.) Learn to type in English that doesn't make people's eyes bleed
    4.) Stop trying to offhand Mandau, you're doing it wrong
    5.) Learn to play your job
    6.) You're now up there with Rosina on "worst Official Forums posters in the history of the Official Forums." Congratulations. You earned it.
    Holy crap, this so much @Ilax. The amount of bullshit half-math and straight wrong math going on is mind-blowing.
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    I will have my revenge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asymptotic View Post
    Anyway, I never said that 0.1% isn't 1/1000. All I said is that after 1500 Qilins, your chance of getting a drop that's 1/1000 is 78%.
    No is not, because the reality can be 1% drop rate but people end to get it 1/1000 by "unlucky" factor, and if you would normalize the ODDS on a 100,000,000 run, you would find out is 1% drop and not .1% as people estimating.

    Wiki/GE/BG percent are base on what people report, and unless a DEV come here and say is .1%, is all assumption. .1% is not 78% after 3000 kill, Mr. Mathboy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    Holy crap, this so much @Ilax. The amount of bullshit half-math and straight wrong math going on is mind-blowing.
    CG 2,994 post ^^
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    Last edited by Ilax; 01-10-2012 at 09:44 AM.

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    Who cares, it glows. What more do you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilax View Post
    No is not, because the reality can be 1% drop rate but people end to get it 1/1000 by "unlucky" factor, and if you would normalize the ODDS on a 100,000,000 run, you would find out is 1% drop and not .1% as people estimating.

    Wiki/GE/BG percent are base on what people report, and unless a DEV come here and say is .1%, is all assumption. .1% is not 78% after 3000 kill, Mr. Mathboy.


    Do you even understand what people are saying? I don't think you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilax View Post
    No is not, because the reality can be 1% drop rate but people end to get it 1/1000 by "unlucky" factor, and if you would normalize the ODDS on a 100,000,000 run, you would find out is 1% drop and not .1% as people estimating.

    Wiki/GE/BG percent are base on what people report, and unless a DEV come here and say is .1%, is all assumption. .1% is not 78% after 3000 kill, Mr. Mathboy.



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    The odds of going 1/3000 on a 0.1% drop are less than 5%. There's a 95.13% chance that you would have obtained the drop by the 3000th run.

    You really don't know jack shit about statistics or probability. You really shouldn't have tried to bring faux math into it at all. It's just too easy to point out your ignorance this way.
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