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  1. #31
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    Because there's so much evidence to suggest that the effect procs on weaponskills. All I've seen so far is "Mandau sux plz make better" when the weapon is fine to begin with. Cry moar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prothscar View Post
    Because there's so much evidence to suggest that the effect procs on weaponskills.
    I'm the one that came acrossed that tiny bit of info, and it did not work while single wielding and no double attack, so it did not work for the first hit.
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    Last edited by Sira; 01-10-2012 at 04:53 AM.

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    Mercy Stroke and Rudra's Storm are purposefully designed to be useful with Sneak Attack, Trick Attack, and (in the case of Rudra's Storm) Climactic Flourish and pretty much mediocre otherwise. Having a Mandau or a Twashtar doesn't magically make Evisceration or Exenterator vanish from one's weaponskill list for times when those abilities are down.

    Complaining that your numbers are disappointing when none of those abilities are used doesn't make much sense. If I pooped in my freezer and stored food in my toilet, I doubt anyone would be sympathetic to my plight of "my food has gone bad and my butt is very cold".
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler View Post
    Mercy Stroke and Rudra's Storm are purposefully designed to be useful with Sneak Attack, Trick Attack, and (in the case of Rudra's Storm) Climactic Flourish and pretty much mediocre otherwise. Having a Mandau or a Twashtar doesn't magically make Evisceration or Exenterator vanish from one's weaponskill list for times when those abilities are down.
    So, if i resume what you saying, When SA and TA are down, use Coruscanti/Lux Pugio as it give more power to Evisceration. Don't you think is sad, as THF we can easy spam 4~5 WS before SA or TA get back ready. What is even the point to keep mandau equip outside just pull out a big epeen WS number once in a while.

    You have to consider that Evisceration is a CRIT WS and have Modifiers: DEX:30%. Critical Hit Rate 10%/25%/40% [100/200/300TP]

    the 9% Crit Rate and DEX25 will help Evis way more then anything else, +35 attack when you have 999 attack total is 35/999 = 3% DMG increase, and if you compare a triple dmg vs quad dmg, is 1/4 = 25% DMG increase, the 3% is no match at all, and i am not even comparing the DEX lost and Crit Rate 4% lost. If you talk about the Delay then 365 vs 384 = 5% only, so a total of 9% is not beating 25% (and i still ignore the 4% crit rate bonus and +10 dex, and dDex factor and so on.)

    Let me point out this:

    SCH, BRD, COR, THF

    SCH do Embrava + Haste (You cap on haste)
    BRD do 2x attack song (Your attack be close to 999)
    COR Blitzer's Roll with AF+2 (15.6 Weapon Delay reduction)
    Rogue's Roll (25% Crit rate and probably more if AF+2)
    Thief Job Trait: Critical Attack Bonus IV = 14% CRIT Rate.

    THF Gear: Raid. Culottes +2 (4% Crit rate)
    THF Crit Rate Merit: 5%

    Coruscanti/Lux Pugio add 9% Crit rate, DEX+25, Occ Quad DMG (10%) Delay Total: 384 [195+189]

    Total Crit Rate: 25% + 14% + 9% + 4% + 5% +[10%/25%/40%] 67% to 97% crit rate, and i swear god i miss some factor before even talk about dDEX bonus. {Dex over mob agi - 50 = 15%}

    How in the hell you can believe Mandau have any match again that, in this scenario, you will spam strong EVIS, same big number as inside abyssea, but we know what number going to be for Mercy Fail in this scenario.

    Weapon rank = floor (Weapon Damage / 9), for now, both Dagger are Rank5, and Rank6 only gonna happen with mandau 99, gl on that if SE decide to keep trolling us with 1,000 ADL fight, Qilin will look a joke if you still want to compare.
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    why are you still using lux in your calculations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sira View Post
    why are you still using lux in your calculations
    Because to me +10dex and +4% crit rate >> +35 attack. And why sub mandau?

    As i stated before, if Mandau "triple damage" don't apply as SUB, why Coruscanti "Quad damage" should apply as sub? Then there no point to sub Mandau nor Coruscanti. So you have to choose, Coruscanti as main or mandau* as main, and i listed advantage on both, and if you can't get the +35 attack form mandau as SUB then is total trash.
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    what makes you want to main hand coruscanti
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sira View Post
    what makes you want to main hand coruscanti
    hmm, let see, occ. Quad dmg that can apply in WS, +15 DEX, +5% Crit Rate. What do i loose from mandau, mercy fail that i can only use 1 out of 6+ WS, +35 attack that is nothing when your base is 999?
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    you do understand that i have mentioned twice that when it applied to ws it did not apply to the main hit, was either from DA/TA or from off hand, still want to main hand it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sira View Post
    you do understand that i have mentioned twice that when it applied to ws it did not apply to the main hit, was either from DA/TA or from off hand, still want to main hand it?
    I still as it give +15 dex and +5% crit rate and quad dmg, you even think how more sad is for Twashtar, hell even the lv95 offer only +2 dex at the cost of loosing "quad damage", +5 Crit rate, how that can make sense. After spending 1,500 plate, +2 Dex? no quad, no 5% crit? I am surprise not many with Twashtar complaining.
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