Nerfing Ukko/Vsmite so lazy players can be more useful?

[Greatguardian]

That's not the point I'm trying to get across however. My belief is in that this is part one of a multistep process of job adjustments and balance, kind of like they said they were going to do when the cap reached its maximum, which it now has.

Wasn't referring to you in particular. Moreso Atomic_Skull who's been waving around simpsons memes in every thread he can find since this was announced.

Even if it is part 1 of a process, though, will Blue Mage ever get to be as strong as Warrior? Probably not. In that case, what changes? For the people who care enough to only bring Ukons, they will still only bring Ukons. For people who don't mind bringing an Almace, they'll still not mind bringing an Almace. Status Quo is maintained unless the actual hierarchy is changed in a meaningful way.

[svengalis]

You guys got what you want at the cost of not getting a new JA. Do you think it was worth it?

[Cream_Soda]

You guys got what you want at the cost of not getting a new JA. Do you think it was worth it?

What thread you been reading

[Prothscar]

Wasn't referring to you in particular. Moreso Atomic_Skull who's been waving around simpsons memes in every thread he can find since this was announced.

Even if it is part 1 of a process, though, will Blue Mage ever get to be as strong as Warrior? Probably not. In that case, what changes? For the people who care enough to only bring Ukons, they will still only bring Ukons. For people who don't mind bringing an Almace, they'll still not mind bringing an Almace. Status Quo is maintained unless the actual hierarchy is changed in a meaningful way.

Blue Mage doesn't have to be as strong as Warrior, it's fine where it is. DRG, DRK, etc., however, deserve a bit more, mostly DRG as DRK can somewhat hold its own as it is, though both need a bit of revision.

[Anewie]

Wasn't referring to you in particular. Moreso Atomic_Skull who's been waving around simpsons memes in every thread he can find since this was announced.

Even if it is part 1 of a process, though, will Blue Mage ever get to be as strong as Warrior? Probably not. In that case, what changes? For the people who care enough to only bring Ukons, they will still only bring Ukons. For people who don't mind bringing an Almace, they'll still not mind bringing an Almace. Status Quo is maintained unless the actual hierarchy is changed in a meaningful way.

only person meming is you. This just in, everyone memes amirite. Try to come up with new insults next time GG. You're trying way too hard.

[Kimble]

How the fuck is he meming? Lol I doubt you even know what that means.

[Insaniac]

Blue Mage doesn't have to be as strong as Warrior, it's fine where it is. DRG, DRK, etc., however, deserve a bit more, mostly DRG as DRK can somewhat hold its own as it is, though both need a bit of revision.

My DRG does quite well actually. I'm not winning parses against Ukons but I hold my own and have other tricks that WARs and DRKs don't. I wouldn't turn away any buffs but I have never complained about DRGs place in the game. Jobs shouldn't be balanced by giving them all similar damage outputs. I would much rather have some new abilities that let me do awesome things with my wyvern to balance me out with the raw power of a WAR. If any job is broken it's SAM because it has huge damage potential and the best arsenal of JAs and traits in the game. Luckily a good portion of those are subbable. Take away any 2h DDs /sam and SAM would leave them in the dust.

[Ilax]

Oh no! So instead of doing 6k Ukko's Fury to Qilin they'll do 3k!

Are you smoking crack? because only in your dream "AVERAGE" WAR spam 6k. (Sadly i don't even know any one of those to start with)

While I think SE went a little crazy with the Ukko's Fury nerf I do think WAR needed it. I only say this because WAR has access to some really nice +crit dmg gear and really high double attack. So, once you add in both those traits on top of the aftermath WAR's dmg out put seems a little out of hand...

You mean because war have nothing compare to SAM, but have 1 advantage (Crit DMG WS) we need to nerf it, i see.

I think the problem with bringing the rest of the weapons up would have been empyrean becoming the new baseline for DD jobs.

Of course it is, that the whole difference between having a unreachable RELIC/MYTHIC back in the time, and a reachable Empy weapon, by making stuff more easy, you establish a new STANDARD, and DEV have to create new MONSTER that go with that new standard, making the game even more sad for who have no relic, mythic, empy.

Paladin is still teetering on the verge of uselessness, Corsair desperately needed the buff, and we all know SE rides Samurai schlong.

Back in 2002~2008, the hate mechanic was working perfect as no one was doing 3~6k WS, it was nice if you could WS for 1k dmg on NM, in general you were able to only do 200~600 dmg, and NM had low HP 20~50k max.

Now is totaly different story, NM have like 150k+ HP, Mele do 3~6k DMG, mele can CAP hate in 2 WS only, making the "Hate holding" impossible, and the only real USE of PLD nowday, is to have someone that will survive nasty move -> Thundaga IV, so when all mele hit the ground, your PLD is still there, but wait a min? That will just happen if he have Aegis, again a new standard that DEV tossed in the game.

So ya, PLD is useful, by time he have ochain + aegis and almace, or just forget the job. [SAD yes, tell that to DEV not to me] But you right, "General/Basic" PLD are useless now.

Someone implying that WAR, one of the two easiest jobs to play that even a drunken space monkey could achieve success at, takes skill? Lol'd.

Are you implying that BST tossing a pet and eat popcorn is harder to play? or the annoyance of THF trying SA and TA a NM that keep moving? Or maybe you talking about DRG that Do DMG and hide in sky to save his weakness from ANY kind of dmg (NM fart, drg fall to the ground..)

Maybe you talking about how HARD is to play SAM hiting 2~3 JA to WS 10 time and Self skillchain, hmmm or how hard is to hit souleater and yell to WHM "SAVE ME! i am an EMO skilled DRK!"

And don't tell me you need skill to play Ranger spamming 1 Macro for RA and 1 macro for WS.

In FACT, you could apply your "drunken space monkey" to any DD job.

WAR and MNK are the 2 main Damage-Dealing jobs in the game, how can you even believe that nerfing the only 2 good weapon/weapon skills that is a pain in the back side to achieve, will bring balance?

If that was even true, maybe in abyssea ya.. SAM still have they place, so do most of all other DD job, in fact MNK and WAR been left out in Aht Urhgan and in many other expansion, i can still remember how useless my mnk was before VS, or war before Ukkon, if by balance SE mean get back those 2 job collecting the dust, well i guess that work too and ill go play back SAM onry as it was before.

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anyway i stop reading after page #16... In my opinion, SE is doing a mistake, and is not like i care since i can play SAM again or w/e come back DD #1.

Part that annoying me is this:

-I got able to spam Upheaval up to 8.5k with 2h. [Better dmg then what i saw from Ukkon]
-Ukon + 2h have almost no effect [normal as the Crit rate on WS is already super high]

I do use both WS, Ukon >> Upheaval without 2h, and Upheaval >> Ukon when 2h, What i am worry is how Upheaval might turn WS #1 Full time after the nerf, as the crit will fail more, and i don't call that "BALANCE" when you turn a Empy useless, even if that amuse everyone on official forum.

But DEV never listen, so i am ready to use Upheaval and have my Ukonvasara collect dusk, is not like i even care, i just find this stupid. Just to make this look even more interesting, my Telamon will look 10x greater then shitty Ukon after this update.

LV90 Ukonvasara: 131 DMG STR+15
LV99 Telamon: 133 DMG VIT +11 Phys. dmg. Taken -13%

because in this thread, people will do the 1,500 plate (150m) to get insulted with nerfed Ukon. (Ok ya, keep trolling hard)

[Alhanelem]

@ hate mechanics part: SE has said they don't plan to raise the hate cap from its level 75 state- essentially saying they essentially want all players except for one to hold back to avoid generating maximum hate (which many jobs now have to do)

Honestly, there shouldn't even be a hate cap at all. It should be up to whoever is able to generate the most hate to tank, pure and simple.

[Alerith]

So in all of this talk about balance, where's the nerf to SAM and the buff to PLD?