New Weaponskills - Not what was expected

[Ahrana]

Honestly they screwed up by making too many categories for merits. Instead of getting 10 picks from each job for group 1/2 merits, if you got 25 picks or so for all group 1/2 merits then people would actually have to make a decision if they're going to put them all into one job or if they're going to cherry pick the best ones from the jobs they play. Instead of having combat and magic categories, they should've just had a skills category so mages could focus on mage skills, while melee could get a couple weapons.

Unless they plan on releasing job specific 99 weaponskills sometime in the relatively near future, I would agree that the merit weaponskills should have been the most powerful of the type. As it is now they made a joke of the entire system by making some very good, but most of them subpar. I'll give SE an A for effort, but a D for execution.

[Alhanelem]

I should be able to merit them all.

No, you shouldn't. Again, it undermines the whole point of the system. Why does everyone always have to be able to have everything? Why is having to make choices to bad and horrible? If you don't like the choices you made, you can undo them, so there's no excuse for complaining about having merited something and wished you merited something else. I'm actually all for making it easier to respec- right now it's a little punishing- but the decision making needs to remain. You don't see anyone in WoW biatching that they can't get everything in all of the talent trees for any given class, this is no different.

Decision making is perhaps one of my worst life skills and yet I'm happy that I have to make decisions. Why does everyone cry that they can't have their cake and eat it too?

And get the staff WS- it's one of like two that's actually an upgrade for its weapon type...

[Meyi]

But why do we have to pick and customize one job while letting another fall? Merits serve to make our job stronger should we choose to chase them, and is another way of adding on levels of power without actually adding on levels. I don't see why it's such a big deal to make every job stronger and have access to everything, once again, should we choose to.

I agree with Karbuncle on this.

[FrankReynolds]

No, you shouldn't. Again, it undermines the whole point of the system. Why does everyone always have to be able to have everything? Why is having to make choices to bad and horrible? If you don't like the choices you made, you can undo them, so there's no excuse for complaining about having merited something and wished you merited something else.

Choice is this: 'Hey guys, here's twenty jobs. you can level and gear the crap out of them all if you want (most people don't).

This is being in a box: "Hey guys, here's twenty jobs. You can level them all, but you can only have 3 good ones because we think that sacrificing performance on jobs that you like so that you can merit the jobs people want you to merit makes you special." *gives you the same look that forest gump's mom gives him.*

[hiko]

No, you shouldn't. Again, it undermines the whole point of the system. Why does everyone always have to be able to have everything? Why is having to make choices to bad and horrible? If you don't like the choices you made, you can undo them, so there's no excuse for complaining about having merited something and wished you merited something else. I'm actually all for making it easier to respec- right now it's a little punishing- but the decision making needs to remain. You don't see anyone in WoW biatching that they can't get everything in all of the talent trees for any given class, this is no different.

Decision making is perhaps one of my worst life skills and yet I'm happy that I have to make decisions. Why does everyone cry that they can't have their cake and eat it too?

And get the staff WS- it's one of like two that's actually an upgrade for its weapon type...

gogogo limited possibility:
Add a 3per slot/type limit to number of trial you can finish (3empyrean armor+2, 3relic+2, 3 weapon)
Add special Rare tag on R/EX armor that let you only get one item from the different "set" (if you get toci's you cant get heka's or mekira)
add a 1per slot limit on cursed equipment you can uncursed,salvage you can upgrade....
add a 3limit to job you can lvl over95 since you can't be efficient with more than 3

[Alhanelem]

But why do we have to pick and customize one job while letting another fall?

Because you're not supposed to be the best at every job. You pick your favorites. The game was NOT designed, as many popularly seem to believe, for everyone to max out every job. They expected that only a small number of people would do this (and not as many people do it as you probably think) and prior to abyssea, the number of people with every job capped was VERY small.

This is being in a box: "Hey guys, here's twenty jobs. You can level them all, but you can only have 3 good ones because we think that sacrificing performance on jobs that you like so that you can merit the jobs people want you to merit makes you special." *gives you the same look that forest gump's mom gives him.*

You're taking this to a ridiculous extreme. You're not automatically terrible if you didn't max out <insert comabt skill merit here> for <insert job here>. You have an edge, yes, but you act as if any given job is unplayable if you didn't perfectly merit for that specific job. It's simply not the case. You get to be a little stronger on some and not quite as strong on others.

Of course, there's no stopping the bandwagon of "let's have everything" becauseu given the choice between having all of osmething versus not having all of something, anyone would choose all. Weren't any of you taught growing up that you can't always get everything you want?

gogogo limited possibility:
Add a 3per slot/type limit to number of trial you can finish (3empyrean armor+2, 3relic+2, 3 weapon)
Add special Rare tag on R/EX armor that let you only get one item from the different "set" (if you get toci's you cant get heka's or mekira)
add a 1per slot limit on cursed equipment you can uncursed,salvage you can upgrade....
add a 3limit to job you can lvl over95 since you can't be efficient with more than 3

Again taking things to ridiculous extremes. This doesn't help your point. It's not like you can only buff one job. You can buff sevral, especially where skills overlap, and there's the job specific categories which you can raise all of. You get a LOT of leeway. You simply can't have EVERYTHING. I am not and will not propose silly, arbitrary new restrictions on existing things. However. The merit system is fine the way it is. it does not need to be changed to accomodate a few people on insisting on being the best at all 20 jobs.

This thread in a nutshell: GIMME EVERYTHING! NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, I WANT ALL OF IT! I wonder why I don't see this mentality on any other MMO...

In D&D, you can't take every feat or learn every spell (or use every spell at once). You can't multiclass into every class. You can't have every enhancement. Does anyone complain about this? No, because the game was designed and balanced around these constraints.

In WoW, you can't learn every talent on every tree. The only difference from the merit system here is that you can reconfigure your talents more easily than you can reconfigure merits. Nobody complains about not being able to have every talent.

In FFXIV, you can't set every action from every class job on another. You can't cap out the stat allocations to every stat. Nobody complains about this.

In the FFT games, which are the notable other example of characters being able to switch to any job (well, based on race anyway), you couldn't be the best in every job there either- your level up stat growth would be based on your current job at the time of level up, so your character would either be a jack of trades or gravitate towards one job or group of jobs. Nobody seemed to think this was a bad system for those games.

ONLY IN FFXI do i see this. Everyone apparently wants to be all the same as everyone else 100%. Why is having people make decisions such a horrible thing?

[Sonshou]

I have no problem about having to pick on WS to merit on, but I wish we can have an option of fully merit one WS to lv5 and still able to perform all others at lv1.

Yes, just add the category limit to 18 I would be happy.

[Damane]

Count me in the group of people who find it retarded to have to chose between what to merit.

Personally, I wanted to merit the Staff WS for fun, It looked nice, But I chose Utility over enjoyment, I should be able to merit them all. They cost 100 Merits each to cap, If i wanted to work for near 1500 Merits, I should be able too.

Being able to play all 20 jobs but only being able to be great at a few of them is counter-productive. Maybe you guys pop a few off at the idea of being forced to be mediocre at something in order to be good at something else, But thats a thought process far beyond my understanding.

If i want to be great at everything, I should be able too. Especially in an MMO where the only goal is pretty much becoming more uber.

Honestly, One of my favorite things about FFXI is being able to change jobs... Play every job I wanted, etc. Being gimp on a few of them due to restrictions that serve no purpose are not fun.

BALANCE

Also, not to be rude, You can save your breath arguing against me, I'm pretty adamant on this stand point. While it'd be cute to watch someone try, If can play all 20 jobs, If i want to put effort into perfecting them, I should be able too.

Again, Especially in an MMO, Where pretty much the core goal is to perfect your character.

By the same logic of limiting merits, Why not just limit it to 1 Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean per Character at this point? So each of you can be forced to chose 1 job to have one for.

Inb4 someone agrees with my sarcastic last sentence

The new WSs are not that powerfull tbh, shoha is decent, resolution is decent, exenterator is very nice, Upheaval is okeish (well underwhelming if compared to ukyo's, but every WS is underwhelming compared to ukyo's). The WSs arent leaps ahead on what existed allready... and then there are those WSs that suck ass completly: Last Stand... ugh and some others.

If your allready existing Weaponskills (aka the old ones) were doing nice with your WS set, chances are high you wont suck against someone useing a new WS... simply because the new WSs are definitly NOT that powerfull.

[Kristal]

• Modifiers that are better suited for job that use them.

MND on sword... really??? For the most part the modifiers are the norm you would expect for some of the jobs that will use them.

MND on a sword weaponskill isn't that odd if you consider the jobs likely to use it (PLD, RDM).

[Karbuncle]

The new WSs are not that powerfull tbh, shoha is decent, resolution is decent, exenterator is very nice, Upheaval is okeish (well underwhelming if compared to ukyo's, but every WS is underwhelming compared to ukyo's). The WSs arent leaps ahead on what existed allready... and then there are those WSs that suck ass completly: Last Stand... ugh and some others.

If your allready existing Weaponskills (aka the old ones) were doing nice with your WS set, chances are high you wont suck against someone useing a new WS... simply because the new WSs are definitly NOT that powerfull.

There are a few good ones. I agree not all are, But some of them, while pretty much bleh, can have some situations.

Shijin Spiral is pretty damn close to VS, Especially after nerf, Plus, a bit more consistant.
Exenterator is Epic
Ruinator is Epic
Polearm is Epic
Greatsword is Epic (Can be, anyway)
Sword is Meh, Very, But situational
Staff is Fun, Best Staff WS... But yah still Staff
Club - Meh
Marksmanship is actually rather good, Just not for COR.
Archery - Dunno
Katana - Dunno
Great Katana - Amazing
Great Axe - Best Mighty Strikes Zerg WS

Out of the Above, I'd like to be able to Merit...

H2h,
Dagger
Axe
Great Axe
Polearm
Staff

Cause I have and enjoy playing jobs that can make use of those. But I've settled on Dagger, H2h, and Axe for now. I'm just sad my Dragoon and WAR have to suffer because of this.