More nerfs for War & Ukkos.

[Tamoa]

I personally don't care if they give Cure V to RDM and/or SCH. My jobs are WHM, RDM, SCH and BLM so that would only benefit me.

You should stop there.

How would you feel if they took away cure V from whm in order to "balance" it towards rdm and sch?

You're doing it wrong for several reasons. If your group is put together correctly then you should have no problem getting to 300 TP. I'm guessing you also didn't consider the effect it has on Aftermath?

Who the hell cares about the aftermath lasting for 90 seconds instead of 30 seconds. In those 90 seconds you will have reached 100% tp several times and weaponskilled again several times. Especially if we're talking voidwatch.


For someone who doesn't really care about warrior, or about this nerf, you sure have a hell of a lot to say regarding the matter.

[Siiri]

How is it possible to miss every single point in a 300 post thread? No it's not a parse but every WS that drk did was 3k-5k. Who cares if it crits or not. Who cares if it's a DRK. If you are saying 5k WSs are unacceptable from a WAR and that's why this nerf is justified then they are also unacceptable from a DRK and the fact that SE is allowing it makes the nerf to Ukko's 100% arbitrary. Most likely based off the opinion of people like you who don't understand that job balance has a lot more to it than how much damage they can do.

Those WSs also came from a weapon he just lucked into. Not a weapon he put days/months of deliberate work into.

My point is I don't believe he was doing 5k ws the whole fight, you can't just say something wihtout proving it. Eyeballing sucks, where is the parse? DRK lacks many offensive job abilities and traits of a WAR, they don't just throw out 5k weaponskills all the time on high tier voidwatch NMs.

[Tamoa]

My point is I don't believe he was doing 5k ws the whole fight, you can't just say something wihtout proving it. Eyeballing sucks, where is the parse? DRK lacks many offensive job abilities and traits of a WAR, they don't just throw out 5k weaponskills all the time on high tier voidwatch NMs.

Neither do wars.

[Scribble]

Those WSs also came from a weapon he just lucked into. Not a weapon he put days/months of deliberate work into.

Tangent to what? You're saying that the strength of a weapon should be based on the work and effort you put in to acquire it. Mythics are the hardest weapons to acquire, yet most Empyreans are better. The same is true for Relic.

I'm not the one to argue exact numbers with so you should keep your argument with Siiri separate from mine.

[Tsuneo]

I'll admit I didn't even consider Dusty Wings in Voidwatch, however; I do use them when I do Voidwatch which happens to be not very often.

The truth is, whether it be Ukko's or some other WS, WAR is still going to be number one, so there's no reason to rejoice. I'm repeating something that I've said already, but WAR is going to remain the strongest while other jobs remain where they've been because this update didn't affect them. Too bad for those rejoicing, the nerf won't have enough of an effect for them to suddenly be the top choice for DD.

[Scribble]

The truth is, whether it be Ukko's or some other WS, WAR is still going to be number one, so there's no reason to rejoice.

It isn't that warrior or any other job that isn't my favorite is number one. It's been warrior for a while now so I'm pretty settled in to the fact that it won't change much. The problem is that the community, generally speaking, will always opt for the easy route.

Most people don't have a problem with their favorite job not being the top DD. Most people do have a problem with a game that stresses group play, but doesn't supplement that with reasons to diversify. It's the 'In order to participate in [Insert event here] you must have [Insert optimal job for group composition here] leveled' that bothers people.

[Insaniac]

Tangent to what? You're saying that the strength of a weapon should be based on the work and effort you put in to acquire it. Mythics are the hardest weapons to acquire, yet most Empyreans are better. The same is true for Relic.

I'm not the one to argue exact numbers with so you should keep your argument with Siiri separate from mine.

You are a moron or purposely ignoring the point I'm trying to make. I will try to make it as simple as possible this time....

If it's not ok for WAR to do 5k WSs because of balance. Then why is it ok for DRK to do 5k WSs?

Just remove the whole luck based weapon comment from your brain because it's clearly confusing you. It wasn't the main point of my post but you seem to be latching on to it.

[Arcon]

any thf ws

Name one. Because I don't know any that does.

[Xantavia]

You are a moron or purposely ignoring the point I'm trying to make. I will try to make it as simple as possible this time....

If it's not ok for WAR to do 5k WSs because of balance. Then why is it ok for DRK to do 5k WSs?

Just remove the whole luck based weapon comment from your brain because it's clearly confusing you. It wasn't the main point of my post but you seem to be latching on to it.

How did that DRK do a 5K WS? What kind of buffs did he have on himself and what debuffs were on the mob? If he is getting 5k everytime he hits 100tp solo, there might be a problem. But if this was a combination of Dia3 on the mob, beserk, last resort, souleater and whatever else can be stacked, that is a different story.

And what was the damage on the Ukyo's fury that followed so we have a comparison against the same mob?

[Scribble]

You are a moron or purposely ignoring the point I'm trying to make. I will try to make it as simple as possible this time....

If it's not ok for WAR to do 5k WSs because of balance. Then why is it ok for DRK to do 5k WSs?

I don't give a fuck. I am not Siiri and I am not trying to make her argument. Nothing in any of my posts says shit about 5k damage.

The difficulty in obtaining gear has not nor will it ever be key to the performance of the gear. Period. If you are trying to make that argument then you should be arguing that Mythics should outdamage Relics should outdamage Empyreans. It doesn't work that way.