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    Player Sayomi's Avatar
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    I don't get why people get so offended by suggestions of PvP...its like they have repressed memories of it....oh answered my own question there. In all seriousness, its heart poundingly fun at times, well only in official matches for me, like taking two opponents on at the same time (giggity) and coming out of it with 10hp only to get K.O by a random jug pet, thats fun! I mean I rather expand my horizon a little more then killing a computerized crab 90 billion times and an occasional worm 5 billion times. Then again thats just my opinion so who cares!
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    The retyards can't even balance PvE content and you want them to try and do it with PvP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayomi View Post
    I don't get why people get so offended by suggestions of PvP...its like they have repressed memories of it....oh answered my own question there. In all seriousness, its heart poundingly fun at times, well only in official matches for me, like taking two opponents on at the same time (giggity) and coming out of it with 10hp only to get K.O by a random jug pet, thats fun! I mean I rather expand my horizon a little more then killing a computerized crab 90 billion times and an occasional worm 5 billion times. Then again thats just my opinion so who cares!
    This game isn't designed for it period. Any and all "fun" would be removed the moment they made it worthwhile. Currently there is absolutely nothing you can do to beat a RDM / PLD / BLU unless you happen to be one of those jobs, and even then the RDM/BLM has such a large advantage you'd be hoping the RDM was incompetent to win.

    How would you feel if you could never get your shiny gear because every match you get beat by a RDM / PLD / BLU using cheap tactics. Weeks after weeks, months after months of trying and you can't get it because other players refuse to "fight fare".
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    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    This game isn't designed for it period. Any and all "fun" would be removed the moment they made it worthwhile. Currently there is absolutely nothing you can do to beat a RDM / PLD / BLU unless you happen to be one of those jobs, and even then the RDM/BLM has such a large advantage you'd be hoping the RDM was incompetent to win.

    How would you feel if you could never get your shiny gear because every match you get beat by a RDM / PLD / BLU using cheap tactics. Weeks after weeks, months after months of trying and you can't get it because other players refuse to "fight fare".
    See the problem with PvP in this game is that nobody does it, I tried doing Ballista and signing up for it a few times, but the system had to cancel due to lack of participants. If they could implement the Colosseum in Whitegate as a testing ground for PvP handle it like the bar in upper jeuno where they look for specific jobs to 1 v 1 against, and gather data on that, they could probably implement a semi decent system, but like other posters have said before me, no one will do it if there's no reward for doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teraniku View Post
    See the problem with PvP in this game is that nobody does it, I tried doing Ballista and signing up for it a few times, but the system had to cancel due to lack of participants. If they could implement the Colosseum in Whitegate as a testing ground for PvP handle it like the bar in upper jeuno where they look for specific jobs to 1 v 1 against, and gather data on that, they could probably implement a semi decent system, but like other posters have said before me, no one will do it if there's no reward for doing so.

    Think logically through the whole process, start to finish.

    They implement it, add shiny gears to it that are worth getting.

    You run in thinking you can use your PLD (one of the broken PvP jobs) to beat out the MNK, THF, RNG, PUP and others. You get a few wins in, after all none of those jobs can hold a candle to a semi competent PLD. Then you go and now your vs a RDM/BLM who then proceeds to solo DoT / kite your to death over the course of 10~20 min. Next day you go and and there is another RDM/BLM who does the same thing to you. Suddenly everyone is coming on RDM/BLM and soloing everyone who isn't a RDM/BLM. The only recourse would be a BLU, who just runs up to you, stun locks you and rips apart your HP with you being able to do absolutely nothing.

    Much rage and crying ensues, yells and screams about how unfair the new system is. People yelled and cried about "unfair" in every single event SE has ever created.

    SE can't "balance" that system without utterly nerfing RDM, a job that's already so badly nerfed it's nearly useless in PvE content.

    So now you want SE to nerf a job that's already nearly useless, just so you can get your rocks off and feel superior beating on other players.

    Your only asking for PVP because like many others, your a PLD and are at the top of the food chain for PVP ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    Think logically through the whole process, start to finish.

    They implement it, add shiny gears to it that are worth getting.
    Except there's not point in implementing something to playcate 2 people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennx View Post
    Balliasta 2.0: People who participate in Balliasta will skill up combat and Magical skills at a higher rate during the battle. ~
    That'd be terrible.

    Then you'd have a bunch of gimps only there to skill up, rather than actually compete and care about their team/winning
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji View Post
    Except there's not point in implementing something to playcate 2 people.
    *Cough*
    Begging the question.

    I know, it's cheesy, and while I know SE won't be doing this anytime soon, had to demonstrate why PvP wouldn't work on this game. Not without a major rewrite of the jobs anyhow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream_Soda View Post
    That'd be terrible.

    Then you'd have a bunch of gimps only there to skill up, rather than actually compete and care about their team/winning
    Sure would be fun to annihilate their face in the process tho. I'll trade giving gimps skill ups in return for some entertainment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    Think logically through the whole process, start to finish.

    They implement it, add shiny gears to it that are worth getting.

    You run in thinking you can use your PLD (one of the broken PvP jobs) to beat out the MNK, THF, RNG, PUP and others. You get a few wins in, after all none of those jobs can hold a candle to a semi competent PLD. Then you go and now your vs a RDM/BLM who then proceeds to solo DoT / kite your to death over the course of 10~20 min. Next day you go and and there is another RDM/BLM who does the same thing to you. Suddenly everyone is coming on RDM/BLM and soloing everyone who isn't a RDM/BLM. The only recourse would be a BLU, who just runs up to you, stun locks you and rips apart your HP with you being able to do absolutely nothing.

    Much rage and crying ensues, yells and screams about how unfair the new system is. People yelled and cried about "unfair" in every single event SE has ever created.

    SE can't "balance" that system without utterly nerfing RDM, a job that's already so badly nerfed it's nearly useless in PvE content.

    So now you want SE to nerf a job that's already nearly useless, just so you can get your rocks off and feel superior beating on other players.

    Your only asking for PVP because like many others, your a PLD and are at the top of the food chain for PVP ability.
    lol far from the truth really. I really don't care about PvP but was just offering a suggestion on how they could balance the system by using the colosseum to compare combat data on job v job PvP, to approach some type of balance. Which you can get close where it's semi fair to some jobs but not others. You can really only achieve PvP balance by designing the game with that in mind from the get go. Still will get Flavor of the moment builds and with merits so easy to get now a days you would see everyone (who PvPs) adjusting merits to be more competitive.
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    Last edited by Teraniku; 01-03-2012 at 04:55 AM. Reason: for clarity

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