Who ever got six-person parties in the first place?

[Alhanelem]

If the op NPC is literally right next to the mobs you're killing, it's worthwhile to do the ops. Some of the camps i've seen, including grauberg crabs and dolls in altepa, the NPC is too far from the mobs for it to be helpful. with bluffaloes and raptors in ulegurand and bugards in grauberg, it's easy to do pages without slowing down the fighting.

But an auto-restart function like other ops would make it so it doesnt matter where the NPC is.

[Ravenmore]

So you admit to being a crap healer then. And not so much that you let them die, but because you somehow can't heal them because you're the only healer (hint: all it takes to cleave is a WAR + WHM, and that's with 20+ mobs, not the 3-4 the gimpshit perle WAR managed to hit in your exp ally)

No I refuse to heal them when we are NOT doing a fell cleve and other people others are fighting mobs too. So I let them die since thats not what we put the party together for. If I wanted my party to be a FC it would be one from the start.

Another thing is when 2 or 3 of them get the idea they want to do it to and round up their own groups.

[Greatguardian]

If the op NPC is literally right next to the mobs you're killing, it's worthwhile to do the ops. Some of the camps i've seen, including grauberg crabs and dolls in altepa, the NPC is too far from the mobs for it to be helpful. with bluffaloes and raptors in ulegurand and bugards in grauberg, it's easy to do pages without slowing down the fighting.

But an auto-restart function like other ops would make it so it doesnt matter where the NPC is.

Doing pages on Bluffaloes severely inhibits your EXP gain unless your party lacks even 1 good member or somehow doesn't have a 99 in it. The Ops no longer reach 5-star because mobs can't check VT any more with a 99 in the party. Even when they could, it was still a waste. Buffalos in particular are far too spread out to be worthwhile for exp at all - people just like "Big Number Syndrome" chunks of EXP even if it's lower overall.

Scars areas are far superior for exp across the board.

[RAIST]

idk about the VT being a set cap...maybe only certain mobs in certain zones. I pulled a couple IT dhalmels in Aby Altep at 99 DRG when I was finishing off that job. Not a good camp for burning pages because of the run to the NPC... but it is possible to get IT at 99 in some spots.

[Aldersyde]

I loathe EXP but EXP where morons are waiting on one guy to pull Dolls is usually when I just walk into Bombs and HP. Scars EXP can be fun too - like wiping to Varney completely.

I hadn't done an actual abyssea xp alliance since level 80 (leveled my four 85+ jobs with ls empyrean farming and just soloing) and I joined one a week or so ago because I wanted ruinator unlocked (and 5/5) so I could see if it was as bad as I feared. I was absolutely dumbfounded at how people just refused to pull (or open gold chests lol), even when they were on thf, dnc, and nin. It was plain stupid. I was sniping and pulling mobs on blm just so I could get the damn pages done. The experience was annoying enough that I'd rather just dual box or just get xp where I could with the ls.

Gimp DDs i can deal with; ppl who refuse to pull when they're on jobs that can pull I just can't.

Not really disputing anything, just sharing my experience leveling the last couple weeks.

[Khajit]

I hadn't done an actual abyssea xp alliance since level 80 (leveled my four 85+ jobs with ls empyrean farming and just soloing) and I joined one a week or so ago because I wanted ruinator unlocked (and 5/5) so I could see if it was as bad as I feared. I was absolutely dumbfounded at how people just refused to pull (or open gold chests lol), even when they were on thf, dnc, and nin. It was plain stupid. I was sniping and pulling mobs on blm just so I could get the damn pages done. The experience was annoying enough that I'd rather just dual box or just get xp where I could with the ls.

Gimp DDs i can deal with; ppl who refuse to pull when they're on jobs that can pull I just can't.

Not really disputing anything, just sharing my experience leveling the last couple weeks.

Jobs that can pull? I grabbed stuff at lv 40 while leeching for some groups for various reasons when the rest of the group was too stupid to realize grabbing a monster isnt hard. I see you're pld as one of your jobs atm. You're actually a better puller for some for the camps that magic aggro since you can just run through a swath of them with magic being cast provided there isn't another alliance camping you to steal your pulls.

Tbh if anyone should be a designated puller in the group it should be whatever DD sucks ass at being a DD so that they can actually pull their weight for once. Job has almost nothing to do with it when the damage dealth varies so much between players. If that nin or thf or dnc was dealing 30~50% of alliance damage should they really be sent off grabbing mobs instead of the gimp war that doesnt wear proper atma doing 5%? That's the TLDR point.

[Cream_Soda]

To anyone who thinks Abyssea brought upon a wave of gimps,

Good ole days of the 6man party

[Aldersyde]

Jobs that can pull? I grabbed stuff at lv 40 while leeching for some groups for various reasons when the rest of the group was too stupid to realize grabbing a monster isnt hard. I see you're pld as one of your jobs atm. You're actually a better puller for some for the camps that magic aggro since you can just run through a swath of them with magic being cast provided there isn't another alliance camping you to steal your pulls.

Tbh if anyone should be a designated puller in the group it should be whatever DD sucks ass at being a DD so that they can actually pull their weight for once. Job has almost nothing to do with it when the damage dealth varies so much between players. If that nin or thf or dnc was dealing 30~50% of alliance damage should they really be sent off grabbing mobs instead of the gimp war that doesnt wear proper atma doing 5%? That's the TLDR point.

My post explicitly says I was on blm. And I was complaining no one would pull. You quoted what I said but it's pretty obvious you didn't read it.

[FrankReynolds]

I think the moral of the story is that people shoul dbe pulling based on how well it helps the group, not what job they are on. Anyone can pull. SHitty DDs should do it. Not certain jobs.

EDIT: For the record, the whole idea of pulling is outdated, and probably bad in those parties anyways.

[Khajit]

My post explicitly says I was on blm. And I was complaining no one would pull. You quoted what I said but it's pretty obvious you didn't read it.

Stoneskin, manawall. pdt gear like your easily buyable earth staff and etc.Sandstorm+ dessert boots. all jobs chakram if you don't feel like using magic. Congratulations you're geared for pulling. Pulling isn't hard. Yes noone was pulling but you're clearly missing the point of my statement. I was simply pointing oiut that job has nothing to do with it. Your ideal of x job should be puller just makes people find X job tedious because they have to stop doing the fun part of their job and if the rest of the alliance is leeching on the DD then at the point where the nin thf dnc etc etc has to pull for them as well they might as well DB and solo the exp in order to keep the extra pops/gil items to npc from chests. If you're complaining that noone was pulling in your alliance then that includes YOU.
And really why are you complaining about that instead of all the brds that don't pull? They're the one job that has enough free time to not be inconvenienced when it comes to performing their duties when pulling. nightingale/troube + SV and/or maracto and they have enough time to pull several waves before finding an isl and starting all over again.