Who ever got six-person parties in the first place?

[Cream_Soda]

We'll call them leech, you can call them w/e the fk you want to call them.

I don't see how hard of a concept that is to understand. We're not saying everyone has to call them leeches. That's what we call them. Deal with it.

[Greatguardian]

Eh, I don't know, its just an exaggerated use of the term in order to make another group of people sound worse than they really are. I mean by the definition of the word, most sales people, politicians, and religious leaders are whores, but calling them that makes for a really confusing conversation, especially when it involves all three at once. Not that I don't do it anyways from time to time just to amuse myself. :P

Lets just call them what they are. Bad players.

They're that, too. I just think you're taking the term too seriously. Leeching isn't a bad thing. By default, all bad players are also leeches.

Whore has negative connotations too. But hey, prostitution is the world's oldest profession! There's nothing wrong with a few whores here and there.

[FrankReynolds]

We'll call them leech, you can call them w/e the fk you want to call them.

I don't see how hard of a concept that is to understand. We're not saying everyone has to call them leeches. That's what we call them. Deal with it.

Dude, we're having a normal conversation about game terms. Nobody else is getting upset about them. It's really out of boredom I assure you. Nothing to get all angry about.

[Elphy]

Well anyone who had any issues finding a camp would just go do MMM runs if they were smart at all since MMM usually wielded higher exp per hr than a standard pt if everyone knew what they were doing. Plus if they knew what they were doing all jobs had something to contribute. I have been in bird pts where a pup was main heal and we had 0 deaths and 0 downtime. It was the ppl who had bias against certain jobs that made them hard to find pts with.

Also learning your job had other bonuses, such as ppl who you got a group with actively seeking you out for pts because you knew your job, were well geared and didnt complain the whole time or talk smack. I had so many issues with thf post 40 until I got 1 pt. After that I shot up to 75 simply because I had 5 ppl who were so impressed they sought me out to pull/sata for them. Same with brd, rdm and sch.

In retrospect it really wasnt all that hard, just took a little longer to get to 75, plus u made some good buds along the way ^^

[Ravenmore]

Well anyone who had any issues finding a camp would just go do MMM runs if they were smart at all since MMM usually wielded higher exp per hr than a standard pt if everyone knew what they were doing. Plus if they knew what they were doing all jobs had something to contribute. I have been in bird pts where a pup was main heal and we had 0 deaths and 0 downtime. It was the ppl who had bias against certain jobs that made them hard to find pts with.

Also learning your job had other bonuses, such as ppl who you got a group with actively seeking you out for pts because you knew your job, were well geared and didnt complain the whole time or talk smack. I had so many issues with thf post 40 until I got 1 pt. After that I shot up to 75 simply because I had 5 ppl who were so impressed they sought me out to pull/sata for them. Same with brd, rdm and sch.

In retrospect it really wasnt all that hard, just took a little longer to get to 75, plus u made some good buds along the way ^^

Yeah because MMM was out for so long in the time of the crowded camps it. there was 3 good merit camps that could handle 6 parties max. Then you had the bay which no one wanted to go to and loltrolls both slower exp. MM came lat and wasn't out that long till abyssea made it go away.

[Reiterpallasch]

I wouldn't use the letting people die, I do that all the time with people that refuse to listen when I tell them not run to far off to solo their own mobs. I also do it to wars that think they can FC when we are not doing a FC and im the only healer or the only whm.

So you admit to being a crap healer then. And not so much that you let them die, but because you somehow can't heal them because you're the only healer (hint: all it takes to cleave is a WAR + WHM, and that's with 20+ mobs, not the 3-4 the gimpshit perle WAR managed to hit in your exp ally)

[Zarchery]

Obviously a lot of people did get 6-man parties because there were thousands of level 75 players long before Abyssea made alliance parties the norm and Grounds/Fields of Valor made low manning EP mobs tenable. It was frustrating to wait a long time, get a crummy party, or get invited to a party as a replacement just to see the party disband two fights later. It was inferior, but it happened.

Though when you got a great party, where the level range was tight and kills were fast, that really was a little slice of heaven.

Nowadays I'm finding my least favorite type of party is Dominion Ops. You end up running back to the Dominion Sergeant every 60-90 seconds for that bonus XP instead of killing. Altepa is the worst because of the distance between where the mobs are and the Sergeant. Plus you're usually not the only alliance there so there's competition for mobs. It's a mess. I haven't done any firm documentation to prove this, but I'm pretty sure that a party without Dominion Ops is faster. I know that XPing on raptors or bugards in Misareaux was giving faster XP, as nobody ran back to restart a Dominion Op, they just ran around killing whatever popped, and I'd get another 660 XP every 10-15 seconds.

[FrankReynolds]

Obviously a lot of people did get 6-man parties because there were thousands of level 75 players long before Abyssea made alliance parties the norm and Grounds/Fields of Valor made low manning EP mobs tenable. It was frustrating to wait a long time, get a crummy party, or get invited to a party as a replacement just to see the party disband two fights later. It was inferior, but it happened.

Though when you got a great party, where the level range was tight and kills were fast, that really was a little slice of heaven.

Nowadays I'm finding my least favorite type of party is Dominion Ops. You end up running back to the Dominion Sergeant every 60-90 seconds for that bonus XP instead of killing. Altepa is the worst because of the distance between where the mobs are and the Sergeant. Plus you're usually not the only alliance there so there's competition for mobs. It's a mess. I haven't done any firm documentation to prove this, but I'm pretty sure that a party without Dominion Ops is faster. I know that XPing on raptors or bugards in Misareaux was giving faster XP, as nobody ran back to restart a Dominion Op, they just ran around killing whatever popped, and I'd get another 660 XP every 10-15 seconds.

I'm pretty sure that the only reason for dominion ops is if you are leeching, and can really only have 5-6 people killing stuff. previous to the merit cap, it may have been faster for people to merit that way, because the people meriting were constantly leaving and resetting their xp, and the book gave capped xp regardless of lights. The longer you stay in a zone, the less the book works in your favor though.

At any rate, those books suck, and unless they make them auto refresh like GOV, I probably won't do them anymore.

[Reiterpallasch]

So don't run back and forth to get new OPs. A good alliance will get exp faster just mass killing mobs without all the running.

Edit: Though try telling that to all the people/leeches/whatever still running around in perle/teal/aurore at 99. You'll probably get some argument about evil botting elitists that steal mobs, or how the only way to kill that fast or lowman stuff is with a brew.

[Sparthos]

So don't run back and forth to get new OPs. A good alliance will get exp faster just mass killing mobs without all the running.

Edit: Though try telling that to all the people/leeches/whatever still running around in perle/teal/aurore at 99. You'll probably get some argument about evil botting elitists that steal mobs, or how the only way to kill that fast or lowman stuff is with a brew.

Except in Heroes zones, most parties want the 'free' EXP or will come up with bullshit reasons to keep checking in to the NPC like 'seals' or 'I need dominion points'. Bluffalo is the biggest offender granted if you aren't down in the spawns you're wasting time on one person bringing in mobs to camp. Good when you're AFK, shitty when you're playing.

I loathe EXP but EXP where morons are waiting on one guy to pull Dolls is usually when I just walk into Bombs and HP. Scars EXP can be fun too - like wiping to Varney completely.