New Jug Recipes

[Phogg]

No, it simply reiterates my point that the job is subpar compared to quite nearly any other option at this point in most cases, and the lackluster performance by our jug pets and their cumbersome usage and timer issues is part of that problem. No one will ever ask me to bring BST for just about anything save for less than maybe 3-4 instances of any content outside of soloing that I can think of, and I can't blame them. If you don't see that as an indictment of the current state of the job, I don't know what to tell you other than we clearly disagree.

As for jugpet cost, they do cost a lot (just because you think 100k for 12 pets is not a lot, doesn't mean it is not a lot to everyone), they take up a ton of inventory space if you actually want to pay any attention to killer traits at all and, I dunno, actually play your job to the fullest. Not to mention in many cases you get to spend that gil for about 2 minutes before waving goodbye to it as you start up another event. It simply IS a cumbersome and costly endeavor to attempt to be a full time end game BST, even if someone wanted you to be. And in most cases, the cost/benefit of using the jug pet has almost nothing to do with its utility, but instead with the arbitrary difficulty of obtaining materials to make them, which was my original point. The cost vs. utility of most of our jug pets, which we are now basically required to use for almost anything post-75, is completely out of whack. I farm almost all of what I use on BST (again, with my THF) and my wife makes them into jugs or pet food. But that doesn't matter, whether you pay gil, or pay time to farm those items (which can range from considerable to ludicrous [see: Abraia]), you are being required to stop what you are doing, with frequent regularity, to obtain that gil or those items. The only thing that would be comparable for other DD's is if their gear would degrade with use requiring it to be fixed or replaced. Because if you thing jug pets are part of our gear, then I still don't see how that makes the situation better.

[SNK]

No, it simply reiterates my point that the job is subpar compared to quite nearly any other option at this point in most cases, and the lackluster performance by our jug pets and their cumbersome usage and timer issues is part of that problem.

If you're having a problem keeping a pet alive longer then the Call Beast Timer then I really wonder what the heck you're fighting.

No one will ever ask me to bring BST for just about anything save for less than maybe 3-4 instances of any content outside of soloing that I can think of, and I can't blame them. If you don't see that as an indictment of the current state of the job, I don't know what to tell you other than we clearly disagree.

There's nothing to disagree about. It's like you're upset that your job designed for soloing can't do more party related stuff. It's a solo job and truthfully as SE sees it, it always will be.

As for jugpet cost, they do cost a lot (just because you think 100k for 12 pets is not a lot, doesn't mean it is not a lot to everyone), they take up a ton of inventory space if you actually want to pay any attention to killer traits at all and, I dunno, actually play your job to the fullest.

The way this game throws money at you via curor, Dom ops and whatnot, 100k is really pocket change. Complaining about making money on a job which can make a lot of gil solo shouldn't be an issue. As far as inventory space goes, welcome to every single job in FFXI which has the same problem so it's not like BST is any exception to this.

Not to mention in many cases you get to spend that gil for about 2 minutes before waving goodbye to it as you start up another event.

And I bet you NINs or anyone who subs NIN feels the same way with their Shihei costs. This isn't anything new for any job.

It simply IS a cumbersome and costly endeavor to attempt to be a full time end game BST, even if someone wanted you to be.

How do you think some people who play PLD feel? I don't mean your standard McGimp PLDs but those who carry either relic and emp gear? Cure Cheat Sets, MDT, PDT, Haste, & weapon skill sets? BST isn't the only job that gets loaded down on gear. Some career BLMs alone are pushing the 75/80 inventory slots on their sets alone.

BLUs as well have some stupid amount of gearsets for their spells as well be it from Charged Whisker, Healing, DD, Haste, etc. You get the idea. BST isn't any more special as any other job if you want to gear it right.

And in most cases, the cost/benefit of using the jug pet has almost nothing to do with its utility, but instead with the arbitrary difficulty of obtaining materials to make them, which was my original point.

Making sheep jugs cost me next to nothing because like most people who jumped into their job, it was easy enough to research that having a craft saves a ton of money on this issue. I know some people don't like crafting but those same people are willing to pay a crafter for their time and effort so they can do what they want without having to make their jugs themselves.

The cost vs. utility of most of our jug pets, which we are now basically required to use for almost anything post-75, is completely out of whack.

As much gil as I make with jug pets I see this as a point of view or lack of point of direction of where you're going to make money. Truth be told, you'd be amazed how much people are willing to pay for drops from "older" content. I've been to many different places and walked out with 500k to 800k in a few hours of farming.

I farm almost all of what I use on BST (again, with my THF) and my wife makes them into jugs or pet food. But that doesn't matter, whether you pay gil, or pay time to farm those items (which can range from considerable to ludicrous [see: Abraia]), you are being required to stop what you are doing, with frequent regularity, to obtain that gil or those items.

What you see as a requirement a lot of players see as either something they enjoy or something they know they need to do to get the job done. Then again, I actually enjoy fishing and if that isn't a path to self-punishment for most players then I don't know what is. lol

The only thing that would be comparable for other DD's is if their gear would degrade with use requiring it to be fixed or replaced. Because if you thing jug pets are part of our gear, then I still don't see how that makes the situation better.

A NINs tools are their gears, RNGs use ammo and it's their gear, BLMs pay millions for their scrolls and without them they're worthless. WHMs pay a ton of money for their scrolls, BRDs have to suffer a huge choking of their inventory space as well.

You get the idea.

Jug pets are honestly cheap compared to how much money other jobs throw towards what they want to do.

The thing which I see is bothering you is you want BST to be more then a solo job and while I agree with your feelings on it, it sadly will never be. It's a job where I can either goto Dynamis, Farm NMs, or just help people in lowman events where a BST can really get into their groove and have fun.

BST isn't fun for you anymore so nothing I can say will change your mind but for me and many others who've played this job just as long if not longer then you, it's a blast.

If you're feeling that you're not having fun then by all means go out and enjoy something that you think if fun but don't degrade other folks into enjoying the job as much as they do.