New Jug Recipes

[Mavrick]

Falcorr is ~100k/stack on my server and with a high supply to boot. The addition of another THF pet has caused dipper's price to drop from 120k/stack to 80/stack so I guess in that sense it's not all that bad... The turtle on the other hand is a mind boggling 50k a pop. No one is even attempting to purchase a stack of Adamantoise... since stacks usually sell for higher, I'm guessing it would be 650k~700k maybe even more :/ The new pet food is 80k/stack! and thanks to the limit break bcnm Pet Food Eta is currently also 80k/stack... I'd hate to see what prices would be like if BST was actually a popular job.

[Economizer]

I'd hate to see what prices would be like if BST was actually a popular job.

BST isn't a popular job?!

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Anyways, I came in here to make a suggestion about the new jug pets that I think SE should honor.

Wormy Broth / Slippery Silas should be level 23 ALL JOBS.

This would make it the first and only jug pet that all jobs can use. Considering its "status" as a "mascot pet" I think that SE should do this.

Lets get support for this idea before the community reps come back from holiday so it is the first thing they can ask the dev team for. Plus it would show they are listening to us!

[Xilk]

I was playing on the test server this morning. I went to kuftal to try out falcorr and raphie vs some T~VT tigers and worms down there.

I was able to chain kill up to 5 solo w/ very little difficulty. Granted, I was willing to spend a theta biscuit every 3 or 4 fights though... Actually I had to use them more often w/ raphie. Frankly, killing faster w/ falcorr is a better tank. Raphie certainly takes less damage, and if you pop hardened shell, he takes ALOT less damage. but the fights take noticeably longer as well.

FYI, I was able to do 600 damage hit vs VT w/ falcorr using boost. I also did 1100 w/ falcorr using boost on VT tiger when he did a crit hit. I think 1100 from pet ready move on a vt mob is not bad at all outside abyssea.

I was also able to land 2k ruinator (5/5 merits) on the same VT mobs outside abyssea. I was using ferine body, hands, and feet, monster +2 head and legs. I'm sure most here can make a better set for it on live server.

I couldnt' get the 1100 aqua breaths... or anything close... it got resisted too much and only did like 100 damage (I used reward to cap hp right before using it) It was easier to keep hate on falcorr than raphie.

[Sparthos]

So to summarize the new pets:

Raphie sucks.
Mac sucks.
Falcorr wins.
Silas is a confusing mess.

and the new pet food:

Cheap to make, easy for BSTs to farm materials.

[Xilk]

Falcorr is full of win
Silas is a nice throw away jug for linkless pull or farming TE mobs in dynamis (he really is level 99 even though weak, he can rip up ep)
Raphie - Only use in very specific tanking situations...
DapperMac - is a mnk and stun/interupt bot

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Falcorr is full of win
Silas is a nice throw away jug for linkless pull or farming TE mobs in dynamis (he really is level 99 even though weak, he can rip up ep)
Raphie - Only use in very specific tanking situations...
DapperMac - is a waste of a pet

That's better.

A NINs tools are their gears, RNGs use ammo and it's their gear, BLMs pay millions for their scrolls and without them they're worthless. WHMs pay a ton of money for their scrolls, BRDs have to suffer a huge choking of their inventory space as well.

All of which none in the long run equal the cost to BST.

One of costs for spell - permanent use
90k for 1188 Shihei - With a high rate of not using those shihei, same for Arrows.
100k for 12 pets that last at most 180 minutes, can't zone anyway, are removed before entry to most content.

They are not equal, Money is easy to get but they are not equal in costs to any of the jobs you mentioned.

[SNK]

That's better.



All of which none in the long run equal the cost to BST.

One of costs for spell - permanent use
90k for 1188 Shihei - With a high rate of not using those shihei, same for Arrows.
100k for 12 pets that last at most 180 minutes, can't zone anyway, are removed before entry to most content.

They are not equal, Money is easy to get but they are not equal in costs to any of the jobs you mentioned.

Not once did I mention they were equal. My point I was making that if you want to do your job right then yes you're going to be spending a lot of gil to do it. The idea why I don't see 100k as a problem is it gives me the options to go out and make money without having to split it with other people.

Also keep in mind that 100k a stack of jugs is pretty foolish if you're using it just for that. Going out and making gil can be done very cheaply, *Nazuna* and if you're fighting a NM then you swap out to your money pet and get the job done.

This is easily a point of knowing how you handle your money when it's best to budget yourself when you're farming.

Anyways my point still stands. Every job in FFXI has costs. Be it from scrolls, ammo, NIN tools, or even buying all your instruments you will be spending a ton of money. Find your balance when you're working around costs and whatnot on BST and you'll find yourself making way much more money then you spend to get the job done.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Not once did I mention they were equal. My point I was making that if you want to do your job right then yes you're going to be spending a lot of gil to do it. The idea why I don't see 100k as a problem is it gives me the options to go out and make money without having to split it with other people.

Also keep in mind that 100k a stack of jugs is pretty foolish if you're using it just for that. Going out and making gil can be done very cheaply, *Nazuna* and if you're fighting a NM then you swap out to your money pet and get the job done.

This is easily a point of knowing how you handle your money when it's best to budget yourself when you're farming.

Anyways my point still stands. Every job in FFXI has costs. Be it from scrolls, ammo, NIN tools, or even buying all your instruments you will be spending a ton of money. Find your balance when you're working around costs and whatnot on BST and you'll find yourself making way much more money then you spend to get the job done.

Perhaps, but it doesn't mean SE should be so unbalanced where BST is concerned.

[Aldersyde]

Falcorr is full of win
Silas is a nice throw away jug for linkless pull or farming TE mobs in dynamis (he really is level 99 even though weak, he can rip up ep)
Raphie - Only use in very specific tanking situations...
DapperMac - is a mnk and stun/interupt bot

Does Ralphie have the innate lightning resistance that adamantoise mobs have? Because when Camate introduced the jug to us, easily smoking thunder-magic-damage mobs was the only use I saw for it.

[Sparthos]

Raphie for tanking? Tanking what?

Eva tanking trumps Raphies face tanking, does more dmg, consumes less biscuits and finishes the battle faster which means lowering the chance of being killed. His breath attack follows the same rules as BLU where any targets worth a damn have some sort of BDT- that causes the attacks to suck.

In a situation with multiple mobs a lvl99 Nazuna handles herself better with access to Sleepga (if applicable) and lower overhead. It seems like Raphie is incomplete to me and he needs something more if SE intended him to be a 'tank'. BST already has lowbie tanking covered with EVA pets.

Admittingly I've only used Mac twice in Dynamis and he seemed unimpressive compared to other DD pets and his Stun costs two charges which makes his ability to Stun costly with regards to time. Is there anything special about him compared to previous Monks besides the Store TP he has?