New Jug Recipes

[Phogg]

Do I really want to share my test finding w/ Falcorr here... ?

Falcorr appears to be the best dd pet we have. Fantod makes hits on the next round do 4x damage. Thats right, 4x.
And it IS next TURN. not just next hit. If triple attack procs after using fantod, it will be 4x damage for each of those 3 hits.

so w/ rr, ss, and apoc atma in misareux, I did crits up to 3k using fantod. or I might get 1.2k in a triple attack. IT is possible w/ atma, in abyssea to do 3k x3 hits when using fantod.. if you get all 7's at the slot machine. This was vs a normal mob.. so less damage on something more significant... but I think this alone should give some indicator of falcorr's potency.

Falcorr also makes cerby solo less expensive and tiamat solo possible. (does pretty good w/ the fire damage, falcorr does).
The triple attack rate appears higher than yuly. It is more distinctly noticeable, but I haven't measured it. The base str is slightly higher than yuly too.
yes, its a thf, yes it has treasure hunter, and unlike yuly enhanced movement speed. The only thing I'm not certain of is if the eva rate is as high as yuly. I don't know, I haven't tested it. Its a fair guess that the eva rate is quite good.

Falkirk has a really cool screenshot of using zoo hat between fantod and backheel for a 3.7k hit on a weapon up in sky.

So yes, they gave us one sweet pet in Faithful Falcorr.


(I should also mention that I copied that recipe verbatim from ffxiah.com. Sorry I didn't mention it before (tired late at night, annoyed I was actually responding to the person asking for it, but it was an actual legitimate question... anyway, the annoyed comment about ruszor meat wasn't actually mine.... )

Who cares, I can do 3k dmg on thf every 40 seconds in abyssea and it costs me nothing. I've been the biggest BST proponent I know forever, but the job is officially dying on the vine. Take some time and repeat your tests on actual xp mobs outside abyssea. At 96 fantod it ~400 dmg on EM bats in Bostaunieux Oubliette. Yay. 16k per jug to do 350 dmg with a ready move? But I get TH! ><;

Even when you can use charm, its lack luster compared to ready. Using slime pets in the same zone and waiting 2 minutes for sic (for completely random moves) to be up again just made me want to revert to jug pets, which is clearly what SE wants. Its ridiculous. I can get on my WAR and drool over a dozen or so JA's. I get on my BST and I now have only two useful JA's, Call Beast and Ready. Yay. SE can die in a fire, they have absolutely killed this job aside from a bunch of hacks who now use it to farm dynamis currency. In any actual capacity, the job is useless. 50 dmg regular hits from jug pets on NMs, 250 DMG ready moves, way to go BST!

All the fun I had with BST up to 75 is just a distant memory now. It's been my favorite job for 8 years, and I now have no motivation to level it beyond 96. Thanks for your "balance" SE. Way to balance a job out of any realm of usefulness.

[Xilk]

... yada yada.... hate bst yada...

enjoy war and thf
They have forums too.

[Dreamin]

Who cares, I can do 3k dmg on thf every 40 seconds in abyssea and it costs me nothing. I've been the biggest BST proponent I know forever, but the job is officially dying on the vine. Take some time and repeat your tests on actual xp mobs outside abyssea. At 96 fantod it ~400 dmg on EM bats in Bostaunieux Oubliette. Yay. 16k per jug to do 350 dmg with a ready move? But I get TH! ><;

Even when you can use charm, its lack luster compared to ready. Using slime pets in the same zone and waiting 2 minutes for sic (for completely random moves) to be up again just made me want to revert to jug pets, which is clearly what SE wants. Its ridiculous. I can get on my WAR and drool over a dozen or so JA's. I get on my BST and I now have only two useful JA's, Call Beast and Ready. Yay. SE can die in a fire, they have absolutely killed this job aside from a bunch of hacks who now use it to farm dynamis currency. In any actual capacity, the job is useless. 50 dmg regular hits from jug pets on NMs, 250 DMG ready moves, way to go BST!

All the fun I had with BST up to 75 is just a distant memory now. It's been my favorite job for 8 years, and I now have no motivation to level it beyond 96. Thanks for your "balance" SE. Way to balance a job out of any realm of usefulness.

1st time I retired my BST was when that timer came out (I switched and leveled SMN). I kept up my BST to 95 for the hope that SE will wake up some day and fixed the job. But sadly, it doesn't look too good.

BST used to be just pure fun. I really miss the old days with bst burning pt.

[Mavrick]

Yeah, I really don't understand the rave over the Hippo myself. People are drooling over the damage the jug is doing over mobs.... 15~25 levels lower than the pet. I suppose if you only stick to EP level content you'd be perfectly fine with the performance of BST jugs in general. Mass farming "Easy Prey" is only thing BST really has going for it so I cannot really complain about people getting riled up over an otherwise useless ability.

[ShadowHeart]

heck of a lot better then the idiot penguin guess it should go back to batman movie cause the joker is playing a trick.... i am finding old kermit better atm then the penguin .. but definitely loving the hippo

havent tried the turtle yet the stacks are selling for a mil on our server.... glad they said they would make these chepaer and easier to obtain material wise then old dipper LMAO.... 0.5% drop rate on agricarus !! LMAO

[SNK]

I enjoy my BST a lot but I'm not paying someone 300,000 and 150,000 for a stack of Jugs.

[Phogg]

enjoy war and thf
They have forums too.

Wow, really awesome summation. 8 years of BST but clearly my only point is I hate the job.....Nothing to see here, can't be at all disappointed about what has happened to the job in the last few years here in homerville.

[Xilk]

I dont' think the "THIS SUX!" posts are making an accurate comparison. they never have. BST does not have spike damage.

It has always been this way. SE apparently does not plan to change this. However, there has not been 1 single honest and complete comparison for the damage output for bst on high level mobs since the level cap was raised above 75.

At 75, it was blatantly apparent that bst could not put useful damage on the high level NM's. All the screaming and yellling is a knee jerk reaction. Frankly, I shouldn't be surprised this is happening again... but no one is adding the combined damage of pet and master to compare with...

BST as a job is actually pretty evenly split between pet damage and master damage. They are both straight up melee. Which does more damage will vary mostly due to gear and playstyle.
Amongst our jug pets it is very clear that the attack values vary greatly as well. Tiger is probably at the top, and slug is toward the bottom. We have a much better 'swiss-army' knife of jug pets at 99 than we did at 75. If you are fighting a high level NM you probably want a pet w/ high attack.

If you want to whine about the pets not performing well enough, you should have good info first. There is no good information in any of the rants I've ready on this thread, or this forum. In fact, I've searched ZAM, BG, SE, and FFxiah forums. There has NEVER been a good bst dps comparison which includes both master and pet and compares to other dd.

I've been trying to get the ground work set for making good pet dd comparisons (pet testing thread on ZAM), but its slow, and sometimes I'd rather just play.

You can rant about the job and say how much you hate what's happened to to... but the complaints are based off alot of lack of information.

edit:
Yay Phogg, you came to make useless rant posts on my thread in zam too. at least we have the karma system for zam.

Just splatter that rage any ole way you can!

[Phogg]

Once again, I've been playing BST for 8 years. My bazaar message literally says "OG Beastmaster" and "BST SUXX". I have a ridiculous abundance of BST gear for both charm and melee, full +2 af3, etc etc. I have played /nin almost exclusively the entire time with my wife playing BST/whm or BST/ rdm as we duo'd 1-96, so trust me, I understand how BST works from a DD perspective, and what they are capable of. I've been pushing the DD envelope for BST that entire time, and for that reason in any party with only other BSTs, my jug pet always tanks because no other BST has out DMG'd me head to head. But, clearly I'm uninformed and have no idea what I'm talking about.

However, none of that discussion is relevant to the problem in this thread. The problem is we are being forced by SE to use jug pets in any situation outside of randomly deciding you would like to merit or EXP with charmed pets for the novelty of it. There has been almost no reason to use charm since the 75 cap. No new content has catered to anything remotely close to a charm based BST since 75. I could sell/toss all my charm gear and it wouldn't even matter. Who cares if that's how the job was played for 75 levels, lets completely change gears and make it expensive as hell for you on top of it all, but you have no reason to be upset about that, right?

Given that SE clearly wants us to use jug pets, the pets we are offered should be useful in relation to their cost. On top of that, half of our Job abilites are based on charm. So if charm is now useless, they should be replaced by something useful under these new conditions. Not many other jobs get to level 76 and suddenly half of their JAs are useless. If anything, whatever new things we are given simply raise the gil sink cost. More expensive/rare ingredients, a job ability that literally makes your pet disappear for a boost that is practically unnoticable, etc. All the while we get leveled capped out of previously useful and less expensive jug pets.

What we have today is a situation where BST is only useful for farming, or for wasting gil so you can say you solo'd something. Yay. That was fun when my pets just cost me "Charm", but its not fun when pets cost me 16k per jug and a boatload of rewards. Further, there is hardly any situation where BST is more useful than any other job I have at the same level. My THF is almost always more useful to myself and any party I am in than my BST, and I don't have to pay for my DMG output. I don't need to find new daggers every time I zone. I don't need to replace my off hand dagger every five minutes to max out half my DMG potential.

So if SE is going to force a certain style of play, they should at least have the courtesy of not making absurd requirements for obtaining jug pets, especially when their DMG is so completely lack luster and they remain a sunk cost every time I use the ability to call them, which I can only do every five minutes creating problems in events like VW outside of simply doing crap DMG on the NMs. Again, go repeat your tests, only this time try on something outside of abyssea and come back and convince me the dmg you get for 16k a jug is worth it. You were the one pimping spike DMG from Fantod which is clearly a mirage based on abyssea buffs on weak mobs or level one mobs outside abyssea, which again, who freaking cares. I'll still do more dmg on those with my THF for free. Anything I could accomplish with these expensive new jugpets, I could do with FlowerPotMerle, and noone would notice the difference. If someone asks me what jobs I have for an end game event, and they don't tell me bring BST, I no longer have a reason to get upset over that because my other jobs are simply better. BST is simply not balanced fairly compared to other jobs right now, and to even come close costs an arm and a leg.

[SNK]

and to even come close costs an arm and a leg.

Barring the rest of your post. What excatly costs an arm and a leg?