Wheres the evidence Abyssea revived FFXI?

[Runespider]

Bye.

You posted something good finally.

VW battles are fun ish. I think the Atmacite and temporary items are a mistake, just like Atma and temporary items in Abyssea, but the fights can still be enjoyable. If they go and address the loot issues, it may even be worth doing aside from heavy metal plates to me (that goes both for WoE as well as VW, because the loot system is what's wrong with both of them, and this includes both drop rate and loot distribution).

We agree on something it seems.

[Sparthos]

Tell me, how was XI pre-Abyssea? I just want to get a feel for how people felt the game was in '09.

Personally, I felt the game had never been in a worse place.

[Vold]

Someday we're all going to agree that Abyssea is what it is, just another chapter in the grand journey of FFXI. Sadly we'll be in the grave before it happens and will have had trained our children and grand children to take over the good fight long after we're DEAD.

[Ravenmore]

To bad the OP sounds just like the little White knighters that Defended and are still defending SE with FF14. The failure that lead that game into ground is now solely devoted to FF11 again. FF11 got people try it with the name Final Fantasy by time they found out it was a massive grind fest just like EQ it was to late they had to much invested.

[Chaz]

Sweety, that is delusional thinking. Take my word for it, a lot of people quit because of it. So many quitting because of it doesn't mean anything good for the game.

I can link you to a thread on bg asking people why they quit etc. It's quite interesting.

You can't just throw a game that has spent the past 8-9 years applying a specific play-by-play formula, a 180 and expect it to have great results.

Was abyssea a great addition to xi? In some ways, but you have to ask yourself, why some people play xi as opposed to other mmos. Especially long time players. For me, the grind of endgame made the game seem bigger or more fun. I like time sinks that require thought or focus. I like steady progress on my gear equips.

When abyssea came, I just didn't enjoy the simplicity of it in the long run. Like hnm and kings, at first it's amazing. Old endgame kept you motivated if you were determined for whatever reason, but those grinds got boring too. With abyssea, it was a breathe of fresh air, but many people just breezed through it and it felt empty.

One is the complete opposite of the other, but which is better? The content you finish quickly or the one that takes a long time? I was one for the longer goals. Kept the game interesting and fun, especially when I had to farm or go hunting.

Abyssea grind was much easier and more fun, but I think in final fantasy xi, after 8-9 years of the old way, it just hurts the formula.

I mean, why not play wow or rift? Honestly, they are much more fun for if you're into abyssea xi in the long run. I liked xi's for their grinds. W.o it, the game is just a more boring version of wow honestly..

is 500 pws the type of grind im talking about? no.. but i LOVED ZNM before it became gimp and i loved salvage.

No thanks. How about this. You provide hard facts/numbers to support your claims before you demand people prove you wrong.

[wish12oz]

Oh pleaseeeee.

Yeah because those same botters aren't using them on vnms and stuff. It removed bots? Someone should screen this and post in the official forums fail. Yeah right at abyssea removing bots?

Get outta here with that nonsense. lol

Do you even know what a bot is Beni? Do you understand the concept of botting at all or what bots did?
ASE = not a bot, and thats all anyone used in abyssea because it was the only thing worth using.

EDIT::: The only nonsense here is the person who admittedly quit and didn't play during abyssea, and doesn't know anything about abyssea or what occured claiming they know something about what abyssea did or did not do.

It didn't at first, but by now using bots is only really good for fishing, everything else is really not worth it. VNMs can't be tracked locally anymore. There's hardly anything to claimwar over (maybe Guku or Tunga, but finding it and getting to it in time is the major issue, not claiming it). So yeah, botting isn't really present these days anymore.

It did remove them at first actually, because there wasn't even anything worth claim botting til empyreans were upped to level 85, and even then people didn't do it. Every time I went to abyssea everything was basically up and unclaimed until well after lvl 90 when people really started to make empyreans. Hell, I remember being mad when Tunga would spawn because no one would kill it and it was in the way of my fell cleave exp. And by the time everyone was 90, bots had fallen away and a lot of them couldnt even be used anymore. And now, with all KIs being in gold chests, there's no need to even try and compete for tunga or gukumatz or any of the other ones. You're better off cleaving and getting merits/leveling your friends jobs/your mules and having them hold KIs from chests for you then trying to claim anything, because you're accomplishing more then if you were just camping 1 or 2 mobs.

[cidbahamut]

Tell me, how was XI pre-Abyssea? I just want to get a feel for how people felt the game was in '09.

Personally, I felt the game had never been in a worse place.

I wouldn't have made it past the first week if I hadn't been starting from scratch with a friend. It was pretty barren and unwelcoming in '09. I was pretty much convinced we were the only new players on the entire server.

[Ravenmore]

Tell me, how was XI pre-Abyssea? I just want to get a feel for how people felt the game was in '09.

Personally, I felt the game had never been in a worse place.

It was a depressing time in the game I was basicly on a break while still keeping my account open. I seen the writing on the wall that funds were being funnaled into FF14 at the expense of FF11 updates. Name one other MMO that it took 3 years to finish putting in the content for a expanison, not tweaks but just to get the story line finished I can't think of one(other then FF14 but that was fail out the gate). WoTG did more damage to the game then Abyssea could dream of.

The old endgamers that left would had quit no matter what came after old endgame even if it was VWNM if it still rendered kings and the rest of endgame they could control people over a waste of time. As long as it was side grade gear or out of reach for all but them they were fine with it.

[Runespider]

Amazing really, Square were totally incompetent dealing with bots then Abyssea and they all DIED on the spot more or less. The game changed from night and day, bots just weren't an issue anymore and nobody really wanted them, when they tried to fight them they failed and in the end they beat them by accident. Quite a few people got rich off those times too.

I don't think most people actually knew how widespread botting was at the end, due to the devs being unable to counter it.

[Eric]

Tell me, how was XI pre-Abyssea? I just want to get a feel for how people felt the game was in '09.

Personally, I felt the game had never been in a worse place.

I remember taking 4 jobs to level ~60 and having to quit and start leveling another job because I couldn't get any EXP parties past that point.

I remember some of my terribad LS mates telling me that I should rely on 3k/hr exp rates in campaign because they were so amazing.

I remember having to constantly explain to my endgame LS that I was too busy with university and a social life to attend every single event that was "required", because if I didn't, I'd get kicked out.