Wheres the evidence Abyssea revived FFXI?

[Arcon]

If Abyssea never happened, how many people would be playing FFXI now?

I'm pretty sure you think no one. And I'm pretty sure you're very wrong, even aside from the fact that you assume that nothing else would have been released in its place, which is irrelevant to this discussion, because no one said that nothing should have been released. Just not Abyssea.

[Benihana]

What in the fuck did I just read?

If you think 500 PW is sane then I must ask you to check into the nearest mental health institution.

Are you and Spathos like retarded?

How can you guys expect a SE producer to take you seriously when you can't even read?

You let your emotions and e-rage guide you on a freakin VIDEO GAME? JUST QUIT LIKE THE REST OF US DID and come back when you can find something in game you enjoy doing.

I SPECIFICALLY SAID and I QUOTE

"Do i think 500 pw is reasonable? No, but I also could appreciate the journey in reaching for my goals in game. WHEN WAS ENDGAME EVER REASONABLE?

I ALSO said I would never attempt 500 pws.. So how am i defending them? No im not defending.. I'm just not going to concern myself a VERY SMALL issue. It is a small issue to me because I DONT HAVE THE F*CKING TIME to do it, so I simply wouldn't try or care.

If the game is so terrible and you can't find stuff to do, QUIT and stfu. I was gonna be nice but when I see people saying im defending 500 pws.. I'm sorry I cannot with stupid people, i'm sorry.

Most of you don't even have a mythic, and if you do, deal with it or quit. It is not that deep or that big of a deal. If it is, quit.

So much stuff to do in game, and if you're casual why are u complaining about a requirement that is clearly beyond your capability?

I know why. Because you think you're entitled to have EVERYTHING fit your playstyle.

Fact check, people enjoy different things and have different play styles.

The game is in fact, built now in such a way that it caters both casual and hardcore.

You are mad you have to do serious grind for the most powerful weapon class in the entire game? Well too bad!

Deal with it. It's the best. If you're so mad the best of the bestest best is out of your reach (its even out of my reach, do i care? NO. I DONT CARE ABOUT STUFF I CANT DO, BECAUSE THERE IS PLENTY OF SH*T TO DO)

jeez some of you need a big slice of stfu and i honestly hope SE ignores you. Cause your tears are delicious tbh.

stay mad and quit, or enjoy the content u can do...

[Neisan_Quetz]

Holy raging wall of text about idiocy. I play because my friends do and I enjoy doing things in game with them. You seriously tried to call a trial 'hardcore' for which was effectively 3 years of playing nonstop to finish 1 weapon on a MMO. That isn't hardcore that's the point of insanity, especially after their 'don't forget friends/family' bullshit they post at you before you login. But yeah, you're just retarded. Have a nice day anyway.

[Benihana]

Oh, and btw, don't think I didn't notice not ONE SINGLE ONE OF YOU presented me with the evidence i requested.

Abyssea didn't revive diddly squat.

[Zarchery]

Probably none. It's the same mentality that says "My suggestion wasn't acted upon, so SE doesn't listen to the playerbase". People have their preferences in life, and assume that the whole world shares them and the whole world should cater to them.

People gripe that Abyssea was fun, but nothing that came after Abyssea was fun, like Abyssea doesn't exist any more. If everything was as easy as Abyssea, you'd blast through it in a month then be in the same place, griping "There's nothing to do!"

Though if there's something out there that would require you to kill Pandemonium Warden 500 times, that's just ridiculous.

[Benihana]

Holy raging wall of text about idiocy. I play because my friends do and I enjoy doing things in game with them. But yeah, you're just retarded. Have a nice day anyway.

You're the one who can't read or provide evidence to support such a luducris and bold claim.

I'll say it again, Abyssea more than likely hurt the player base community for many reasons, including social aspect, team work and effort-payoff ratio. I never said kings or hnm was the perfect balance, its the 180. Neither is healthy for either casuals or hardcores.

My point was, so many of the same user keep posting the nonsense that abbysea revived ffxi, even tho it came with a SECOND server merge due to the base extreme decline.. . All i'm asking if for anyone who claims it helped the game, to show me evidence. I myself don't have evidence to support the fact it hurt ffxi, all im saying is, there is plenty more to support it caused a serious decline, as opposed to helping revive the community.

A dozen of the same user spamming "omg abyssea was amazing, it revived ffxi for me" over and over again isn't evidence. You can get a dozen users from bluegartr who hated abyssea and quit because of it. What does that prove? Diddly squat.

If it revived it so much, why a second server merge? Why was the active players list on ffxiah so much lower during the year abyssea was all there was? Why is it higher now that it's moved away from abyssea?

And why didn't they include the player data in the consensus?

I just want some answers. I'm not for 500 pws anymore than abyssea-onry. I'm just sayin, ya'll sound delusional tbh saying abyssea helped ffxi. My flist has 20 ppl, 17 quit during ff14/abyssea era. That is my personal experience.

[Runespider]

I'm pretty sure you think no one. And I'm pretty sure you're very wrong, even aside from the fact that you assume that nothing else would have been released in its place, which is irrelevant to this discussion, because no one said that nothing should have been released. Just not Abyssea.

Well there was never before anything like Abyssea, it opened the game to everyone when before it was content for a minority (and yes I was in that minority and I still thought it was stupid), it also removed the huge timesinks, the roster of events all timed for you to fill the week and the LS for everything mindset (remember the irritation of finding a ls for the events you wanted to do in your timezone around your work schedule?). I think that is it's major successes, it's failing was XP made too easy and brews etc. Abyssea I think was still the best thing ever to happen to the game and I'm sad there won't be anymore of it, the next year of more VW and WoE will show how much people like the new endgame I guess (what do you think of WoE and VW btw Arcon? Assuming you do them).

I just want some answers

You don't deserve the time to give them, go play the game for a few months and maybe you can make an informed decision. Go try Abyssea with your friends/wifey/ls and then go try the new premier content (WoE/VW) and lets see what you think then, your opinion would hold more merit if you had more experience and not just got back shouting at people that are actually doing the stuff.

[Benihana]

Well there was never before anything like Abyssea, it opened the game to everyone when before it was content for a minority (and yes I was in that minority and I still thought it was stupid), it also removed the huge timesinks, the roster of events all timed for you to fill the week and the LS for everything mindset (remember the irritation of finding a ls for the events you wanted to do in your timezone around your work schedule?). I think that is it's major successes, it's failing was XP made too easy and brews etc. Abyssea I think was still the best thing ever to happen to the game and I'm sad there won't be anymore of it, the next year of more VW and WoE will show how much people like the new endgame I guess (what do you think of WoE and VW btw Acron? Assuming you do them).

Sweety, that is delusional thinking. Take my word for it, a lot of people quit because of it. So many quitting because of it doesn't mean anything good for the game.

I can link you to a thread on bg asking people why they quit etc. It's quite interesting.

You can't just throw a game that has spent the past 8-9 years applying a specific play-by-play formula, a 180 and expect it to have great results.

Was abyssea a great addition to xi? In some ways, but you have to ask yourself, why some people play xi as opposed to other mmos. Especially long time players. For me, the grind of endgame made the game seem bigger or more fun. I like time sinks that require thought or focus. I like steady progress on my gear equips.

When abyssea came, I just didn't enjoy the simplicity of it in the long run. Like hnm and kings, at first it's amazing. Old endgame kept you motivated if you were determined for whatever reason, but those grinds got boring too. With abyssea, it was a breathe of fresh air, but many people just breezed through it and it felt empty.

One is the complete opposite of the other, but which is better? The content you finish quickly or the one that takes a long time? I was one for the longer goals. Kept the game interesting and fun, especially when I had to farm or go hunting.

Abyssea grind was much easier and more fun, but I think in final fantasy xi, after 8-9 years of the old way, it just hurts the formula.

I mean, why not play wow or rift? Honestly, they are much more fun for if you're into abyssea xi in the long run. I liked xi's for their grinds. W.o it, the game is just a more boring version of wow honestly..

is 500 pws the type of grind im talking about? no.. but i LOVED ZNM before it became gimp and i loved salvage.

[Neisan_Quetz]

My FL is 94 friends, approximately 15 are fairly regularly logging on since 99 cap, 6 have quit since level cap was raised. In my case, nothing changed at all other than a few people actually coming back to try the game again with 2 leaving out of boredom. I've had about as many quit before Abyssea in 2008-2009 as I've had since it came out.

[Tagrineth]

Your one linkshell quit because of Abyssea.

On Quetz, I took a year off or so and reactivated right when Scars of Abyssea came out.. and at some point, lost count of just how many old names I saw all over the place over the following months.

This literally became a daily conversation for me for a while, in exp parties as well as /tells from bumping into people in Jeuno:

Me> "Oh hey _______ I thought you quit a long time ago!"
Them> "Yeah I reactivated because Abyssea"


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