Wheres the evidence Abyssea revived FFXI?

[cidbahamut]

Why does every slack-jawed yokel feel the need to scream "you can't complain about bad game design, you can only quit in silence" when confronted about FFXI's monstrous shortcomings?

[Benihana]

My FL is 94 friends, approximately 15 are fairly regularly logging on since 99 cap, 6 have quit since level cap was raised. In my case, nothing changed at all other than a few people actually coming back to try the game again with 2 leaving out of boredom. I've had about as many quit before Abyssea in 2008-2009 as I've had since it came out.

Well, that's my point boo. Ain't nobody mad or nuthin. I'm sorry for the caps but I'm tired of reading bs about tanaka or abyssea. I want cold hard facts.

If tanaka has always been in charge... He's also responsible for the abyssea era and all the good things. If he is just the producer, the other members of the team should also take responsibility for any bs. Why it's targeting just him, yet praising abyssea when he was a part of the creative team is quite strange to me.

If just as many quit during abyssea and before.. Um... then doesn't that say it didn't revive the game? At the very best, it didn't change anything. It's just that whiner's are always heard as opposed to people who are either going on about their playstyle of doing other things they enjoy.

Runespider, you sand ravenmore have spammed this forum saying the same old things. All I'm asking you to do is back it up with some evidence, but if all you have to say is, "go play the game and see for yourself!" well I just got a shiney new strendu ring and turned in my lv.90 relic for the 95 version!^___________^

Very happy, and i am far far far away from abyssea. Never going back. . . . . So tired of emp grind.

I'm not even saying anyone is really wrong. I'm simply asking people to stop making stuff up and spamming the forum with bs. We get it, you're unhappy with the game. You've said it 10 times before. At this point, aside from wondering where you get the impression abyssea revived ffxi, I'm wondering why you're still playing a game you hate?

idkmybffjillTBH

[wish12oz]

All I read in the OP is:
I played FFXI in a botting HNMLS and was able to dominate the server because we used bots to claim everything and drive everyone else away. When this aspect of being able to win everything always and be the best was taken away from my LS, we got mad because we had to actually learn how to play and learn how to do the new content. And our LS was actually really bad and couldn't hack it, so they all quit.

I say these things from experience btw, I was in an LS like that before abyssea came out, and 90% of them quit too. It was because they were terrible and could no longer be the best because their bots couldn't dominate everyone else. Saddly even before Abyssea came out, there were 5 or 6 new members in the LS every month because endgame was stale and old and just not fun anymore. The only people who joined were people who wanted that 1 item they missed, after they got it, they left. The leaders of the LS were ok with this, since they were just using everyone in the LS to farm gil for them to get relics anyway, and didnt care about the revolving door going through the LS, or that 90% of its members were horrible.

Know what Abyssea did that saved the game? It removed bots, it made you able to accomplish your goals with a small group of friends that you actually liked, and it removed all those old hat botters who couldn't actually hack it.

Welcome back btw, good luck with getting going in abyssea, because thats the only content worth doing still. (Except some dynamis)

[Arcon]

Well there was never before anything like Abyssea, it opened the game to everyone when before it was content for a minority (and yes I was in that minority and I still thought it was stupid), it also removed the huge timesinks, the roster of events all timed for you to fill the week and the LS for everything mindset (remember the irritation of finding a ls for the events you wanted to do in your timezone around your work schedule?). I think that is it's major successes, it's failing was XP made too easy and brews etc. Abyssea I think was still the best thing ever to happen to the game and I'm sad there won't be anymore of it, the next year of more VW and WoE will show how much people like the new endgame I guess (what do you think of WoE and VW btw Acron? Assuming you do them).

It's quite obvious we disagree on pretty much everything that can be considered an opinion. I did pretty much everything in the game at any given point in time. I did everything but HNM camping with a social LS (though we even claimed/killed Fafnir and Tiamat at one point, thanks to some dedicated campers). We did mission runs, assault runs, had regular events for sea, sky, Dynamis, Limbus, Einherjar and on odd occasion did quests and random events like Ouryu/B2 and KS99. So how exactly was content just for the minority? The only thing that wasn't completely accessible to everyone was HNMs and that's it. Everything else was being done by everyone. Farming sea once a week we got millions of gil for our LS members who were all casual players (most of them even noobs) from selling Novios. I think it was Greatguardian who said it before, content was always easily accessible, only it wasn't always as apparent as during the Abyssea era.

Abyssea tried very hard to tell absolutely everyone how easy it is to just abandon your LS and go with your duo/trio group and compete against old friends and strangers just to get your empyrean weapon first. In that way it gave a taste of botting to the casual population, who never asked for it before (botting for ??? spawns and tracking VNMs spring to mind). While it wasn't anywhere as bad, it was enough to piss off lots of people (for which they also complained shitloads on this very forum, just fyi).

You try so hard to convince me that everyone agrees with you, yet the things you mention were Abyssean flaws most people actually appreciate, namely cheap brews and easy EXP. And I will defend those too, it's pretty much the only thing I liked about Abyssea. Grinds in Abyssea were always mindless, brews could at least speed them up. And EXP? I can't believe that people bashing old EXP rates can call Abyssean EXP rates a mistake. Old EXP was the reason I only had three jobs leveled up before Abyssea in years of playing. If anything preventing me from participating in endgame it wasn't the content itself, it was that I lacked a proper job. If you didn't have BLM, what were your choices? Solo your way to 75 (which I did, although my soloing was interrupted by Abyssea at 60) or just not ever level the job, because you sure as hell wouldn't get party invites on it. So if you're saying easy EXP was a flaw, you're basically disagreeing with yourself saying that it's a good thing that Abyssea allowed content to everyone.

There's parts about WoE I like and parts about VW I like. There's parts about WoE I hate and parts about VW I hate. Just like with Abyssea, and almost every other event or aspect in or of FFXI. But they're not all I'm looking forward to, I'm looking forward to SE fixing events that the level cap increase and Abyssea destroyed (revival of Limbus, Einherjar and possibly Salvage), as well as the two new announced systems, the Last Stand and the new dungeon crawl system.

VW battles are fun ish. I think the Atmacite and temporary items are a mistake, just like Atma and temporary items in Abyssea, but the fights can still be enjoyable. If they go and address the loot issues, it may even be worth doing aside from heavy metal plates to me (that goes both for WoE as well as VW, because the loot system is what's wrong with both of them, and this includes both drop rate and loot distribution).

[Greatguardian]

No one's pointed out the evidentiary fallacy yet?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

OP is just a giant ball of retard and rage.

[Benihana]

All I read in the OP is:
I played FFXI in a botting HNMLS and was able to dominate the server because we used bots to claim everything and drive everyone else away. When this aspect of being able to win everything always and be the best was taken away from my LS, we got mad because we had to actually learn how to play and learn how to do the new content. And our LS was actually really bad and couldn't hack it, so they all quit.

I say these things from experience btw, I was in an LS like that before abyssea came out, and 90% of them quit too. It was because they were terrible and could no longer be the best because their bots couldn't dominate everyone else. Saddly even before Abyssea came out, there were 5 or 6 new members in the LS every month because endgame was stale and old and just not fun anymore. The only people who joined were people who wanted that 1 item they missed, after they got it, they left. The leaders of the LS were ok with this, since they were just using everyone in the LS to farm gil for them to get relics anyway, and didnt care about the revolving door going through the LS, or that 90% of its members were horrible.

Know what Abyssea did that saved the game? It removed bots, it made you able to accomplish your goals with a small group of friends that you actually liked, and it removed all those old hat botters who couldn't actually hack it.

Welcome back btw, good luck with getting going in abyssea, because thats the only content worth doing still. (Except some dynamis)

Oh pleaseeeee.

Yeah because those same botters aren't using them on vnms and stuff. It removed bots? Someone should screen this and post in the official forums fail. Yeah right at abyssea removing bots?

Get outta here with that nonsense. lol

[Arcon]

Yeah because those same botters aren't using them on vnms and stuff. It removed bots? Someone should screen this and post in the official forums fail. Yeah right at abyssea removing bots?

It didn't at first, but by now using bots is only really good for fishing, everything else is really not worth it. VNMs can't be tracked locally anymore. There's hardly anything to claimwar over (maybe Guku or Tunga, but finding it and getting to it in time is the major issue, not claiming it). So yeah, botting isn't really present these days anymore.

[Benihana]

Whatever i'm not focused on stuff i can't do, and im enjoying vw and dynamis.

I'm not mad, and not worried. I'm glad 99 is here and you said it best GG!

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. I stand by point, anyone who thinks abyssea revived xi, feel free to prove this. Until then, I'm going to go by my personal observation in that it hurt the player base.

In any case. I have studying to do and I'm done arguing with people on a forum about a game i enjoy and they don't.

Stay mad. Me? I'm gonna have fun, and if xi stops providing that sense of enjoyment, i'll go elsewhere.

The rest of you can stay on here and complain, while keeping the game afloat for people who enjoy it like me ^____________^

since you have to pay for the game to come on here and complain.

Peace

[Benihana]

Theres a diffference between providing feedback, and senseless complaining and moaning.

I don't get how people can throw money at SE and hate them so much. lolz.

Bye.

[cidbahamut]

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. I stand by point, anyone who thinks abyssea revived xi, feel free to prove this. Until then, I'm going to go by my personal observation in that it hurt the player base.

And everyone else other people are going to go by their personal observations that Abyssea made the game Suck Less.

Was there a point you were trying to make or were you just flailing and having a serious case of iMad?