Victory smite nerf [dev1064]

[Atoreis]

Not trolling, but I wasn't really asking either.

I'm pretty pissed about the nerf - and now I'm contemplating scraping plans for 1500 Heavy Metal, and focusing that on a 95 Spharai... a lot of this depends on how the 99 Trials wind up, etc...

My efforts in collecting the heavy metals (which I had begun, but not completed) were under the assumption of a relatively easier (shorter) trial for 99...

Figuring if it's ~150mil for either relic or 95 Emp, and I can make 1/mil easily in a day, it's only ~5 months... the problem arises when you consider I can only devote 1-2 nights a week to this endeavor... so the time to complete becomes much longer. Not unattainable, jut not worth it if the 99 weapon is another major time sink.

I tho you had relic ; ;

Also its not 150M for them. Its something like 113M for Spharai now (counting 70byne for last stage) and something like 170-180 for plates.

[SNK]

I think the real question is why is PUP relavant again?

[Greatguardian]

It's not.

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[MarkovChain]

Kenkonken is no joke after the recent 95 trial. Stringing Pummel is already an excellent WS, from 90+ they get a 15% damage boost on KKK, they get a 3 mins Aftermath, a stronger WS, an OA2-3 that can proc during WS and applies to pet... yeah, I'm afraid it's not that obvious that Vere is best PUP weapon.

The aftermath is at 300 TP it's useless and that's why mythics are all garbage. Funny how someone mentionned glanzfaust.

[Zhronne]

Don't have one myself, but doesn't seem too bad to keep lv3 mythic AM active with a high uptime in the era of Tactical Roll, Miser's Roll, temp items etc.
I just think they get underestimated more often than not.

[Dfoley]

I think the real question is why is PUP relavant again?

Haters gonna hate... just saying, if you count our pets we pretty much destroy monk DD, but thats a topic for another troll thread

[Greatguardian]

Some people must really never play with Bards or something. Good lord.

[Motenten]

Per my pup spreadsheet calculations, using Bukhis target outside Abyssea, and using 15% base crit rate for Smite and 10% for Pummel, I have Smite at 1627 and Pummel at 1610 for a Taru (140 total str). For Elvaan (151 total str), 1699 for Smite, 1677 for Pummel. Overall, Smite has barely more than a 1% lead over Pummel. I don't see how you're ending up with numbers indicating a ~20% lead.

Regardless, Smite always felt rather weak when directly compared against Ukko's ludicrously high crit rates. At least we know that there's not a lot of room for them to nerf Smite (it's only ~5% above the general baseline for crit-based weaponskills), as compared to Ukko's. Dropping 5% crit rate from the above puts Taru at 1583 and Elvaan at 1654, putting Pummel about 1.5% ahead of Smite.

[Rofues]

there's a name for that nerf, its called BS

[MarkovChain]

@ Motenten. Yeah I counted an extra hit for vere so in the end victory is only slightly superior, it doesn't change that it's a PUP nerf because verethragna should remain their best weapon due to ODD/STR+17~20. Baring Maybe mythic, but anyone sane wouldn't consider it for this discussion. At least until we see what they do with nyzul revamp. Without going further into the math 30% ODD on main is roughly 15% increase to melee dot. I'm guessing PUP is the same as monk and melee takes priority (65% // 35% melee-ws split) so it's actually ~10% increase. You'd need to drop a lot more than 10% from VS to make vere+SP on par. The base crit might now be enough so in the end it's a pup nerf.