Victory smite nerf [dev1064]

[Greatguardian]

Says the guy talking about Pup destroying Mnk DD.

[FrankReynolds]

The good news is that now that they added a million things for people to upgrade in dynamis, Getting Spharai will probably be a lot easier now.

[xbobx]

I just want to point out the fact that having an argument whether the VS nerf was a mnk or pup nerf is a new level of stupid for FFXI players.

Just saying.

[Arcon]

I just want to point out the fact that having an argument whether the VS nerf was a mnk or pup nerf is a new level of stupid for FFXI players.

Just saying.

As sad as it sounds, I don't think that's true.

[FrankReynolds]

I think the fact that it affects pup at all is sorta telling. They could have just nerfed some monk ability if they wanted it to be monk only. Of course they are really careless, so the pup nerf may have just been a byproduct.

[Cursed]

don't doubt a 99Pup's with a Lv.95 KKK ability to humble all mnks.
its easier to swallow if you're prepared with the reality of just how bad ass KKK is.

[FrankReynolds]

don't doubt a 99Pup's with a Lv.95 KKK ability to humble all mnks.
its easier to swallow if you're prepared with the reality of just how bad ass KKK is.

Well hopefully they make those more easily attainable. Nyzul weapons are a friggin pain.

[MarkovChain]

don't doubt a 99Pup's with a Lv.95 KKK ability to humble all mnks.
its easier to swallow if you're prepared with the reality of just how bad ass KKK is.

I thought so after realising SP was about as good as VS but then I checked KKK and PUP MA trait on the test server and it seems that some idiots have been spreading bullshit for a while about base trait values. I'm getting 5.0 tp per hit without weapon or store TP. I wonder if they are actually correct for MNK.

[Zhronne]

Can test lv95 KKK yourself on testserver if you want.
I guess in some specific situations a KKK PUP might outdamage a Vere/Spharai Monk, but I'm not really sure that can happen anytime anywhere and on any target...
Or maybe am I underestimating KKK's power? Which is definitely a lot, not denying that.

[MarkovChain]

tldr; VS is now likely 15% crit at 100 tp.

Ok I tested VS' innate crit rate. I did plenty of WS on even match sand sweeper, without killing them, without mutiattack, without gorget etc. Since BG wiki average pdif formula are wrong I had to do a samples for crit hits and non crit hit.

Atmas : RR/GH/SS : with dex bonus it gives 75% crit rate total and 60% crit damage
stats : PUP99/THF49 564 Att, 172 STR, 208 dex (irrelevant), 127 vit


victory smite sample=[3552, 2732, 3098, 3902, 3169, 2652, 3328, 3616, 3815, 3074, 3592, 3618, 2267, 2844, 3535, 2490, 3100, 3554, 2950, 3675, 3724, 2715, 3079, 2604, 2467, 3291, 3224, 3676, 3343, 2781, 3351, 1797, 2429, 3705, 3215, 3029, 3699, 3032, 3229, 3004, 2313, 1899, 2760, 2967, 3161, 3333, 2401, 3119, 3041, 3814, 3725, 2114, 3026, 3437, 1766, 2809, 2775, 2491, 3200, 1963, 3803, 3137, 2079, 3218, 3403, 3578, 2544, 3505, 2748, 3363, 2664, 3827, 3697,2852,3916,2724,3548,3298]
78 weapon skills
average : 3076.60 +/- 119 (the error should be lower as each ws is 4 rolls, so it's probably half of that)

Crit sample:[318,384,344,396,339,406,400,368,697,326,369,422,417,324,369,353,363,400,348,396,353,360,361,379,401,417,353,312,427,326,416,345,412,304,344,420,340,356,356,380,214,329,344,404,382,395,332,361,302,339,393,414,321,409,400,323,360,308,395,312,398,379,342,419,340,318,366,360,412,339,380,395,360,318,408,297,360,329,320,396,323,358,366,316,315,396,374,419,300,337,406,355,347,358,340,379,366,363,340,392,406,320,340,408,387,398,416,377,412,337,361,358,350,315,323,321,353,308,240,348,328,336,328,339,326,404,374,308,331,414,360,305,313,372,324,388,412,401,342,390,329,334,339,347,428,427]
146 crits,
average : mc=362.33 +/- 7.7

non crits=[103,155,123,101,101,100,103,103,100,135,117,105,113,100,105,102,155,105,100,147,101,100,130,105,144,104,105,133,104,152,141,147,100,103,139,112,143,104,104,154,101,117,102,145,102,103,129,107,109,127,101,101,100,100,105,102,105,101,134,105,101,124,151,103,108,100,157,146,103,149,109,105,140,104,104,106,106,153,100,105,104,103,150,140,109,117,120,108,113,117,105,152,147,103,101,104,108,136,107,125,130,153,101,103,101,140,156,104,129,137,138,100,132,103,116,102,150,117,154,142,139,103,105]
123 hits
average : m1=117.82 +/- 3.37

My WSD is WSC:=floor(432*0.11)+3+12+39+floor(0.85*(floor(0.32*172)+floor(0.32*127)))=181
(using 432 skill and D+39 weapon)

(2.25+3)*WSC*(0.90*mc*1.6+0.10*m1)*0.95=3020.007026 if 15% crit rate
(2.25+3)*WSC*(0.85*mc*1.6+0.15*m1)*0.95=2910.733566 if 10% crit rate
(2.25+3)*WSC*(0.95*mc*1.6+0.05*m1)*0.95=3129.280486 if 20% crit rate

Well since I find 3076 it can be either 15% or 20%, it cannot be less, and it's likely 15% since my CI should be lower than what I have due to one ws being 4 hits. Did they ajust it yet or not ? If they did it means the maths done that usually assumed 15% crit are wrong but now are right lol. It could be that they nerfed it from 20% to 15%. 25% to 20% is impossible since it was previously tested with atmas to be impossible by gokku.