Quote Originally Posted by IronPandemonium View Post
You're an idiot if you're under the impression any of those six weapon skills hold any relevance in this day and age.

While Shoha and Last Stand clearly stand ahead of the rest of the weapon skills now (with Exenterator, Apex Arrow, Shijin Spiral and I think Resolution to a lesser extent after the latest adjustment to it), there's no need to downgrade them simply because they hold relevance.

Boost the other weapon skills so that they too become worthwhile instead of just a mere 1,000,000* limit point sink for a fancy animation you'll use once every two months to remind yourself of how you wish the new animations were being put to use instead of collecting dust, because they are literally just that awful currently.

*Forgot a zero since my mind's subtly trying to trick me into being optimistic.
....are you trying to tell me that no sam uses any of the WS I listed? Not even Kaiten or Fudo? and given that most sams don't own Amano/masa, Gekko and Kasha would still be their go-to WS. Or are you using the "Abyssea = Crit ws only" line of thought, because we've already established a LONG time ago that Abyssea is done, and not to expect more content like it.

Or are you trying to tell me that the three ws with the highest WSC in the game (prior to merit ws), huge attack and accuracy boosts, and strong fTP, are some how not as powerful now as they were at 75? Or the incredibly powerful Kaiten and Fudo that have had sams creaming themselves for years now are some how suddenly not incredibly powerful?

What in the world are you smoking?

Also, ruinator pretty much destroys every other axe WS outside of Primal Rend/Cloudsplitter for stuff that resists physical damage/is extra weak to magic damage, and shattersoul finally gave staff a physical WS that isn't awful (lookin at you, retribution). Realmrazer also gave non-whms a great club WS that didn't require the awkward gearsets and moderate amount of luck that true strike requires to be solid. Hell, even nerfed it'll still do that... I hope...

The point I was trying to make with the sam WS was that sam has 5 incredibly strong WS that are just as good against low def EXP trash as they are against high def HNMs, and they're STRONG against high def HNMs. If you ignore Relic/Empy WS as they're NOT the standard for melee; Compare the heavy DDs (War, Mnk, Drk, Drg, Sam). Yes I realize other jobs are "DDs" as well, but these five are the balls-to-the-wall DDONRY jobs that focus (almost) entirely on physical damage.

War:
WS vs Low Def: 3 (Raging Rush, Fell Cleave, Rampage)
WS vs High Def: 1 (Fell Cleave (basically took steel cyclone's spot))
WS that are strong vs Both: 1 (Fell Cleave)
Merit WS: Upheavel is meh, Ruinator beats Rampage and is ok vs High Def, but you would be better off using gaxe vs High def typically

Mnk:
WS vs Low Def: 1 (Asuran Fists (Ascetic's Fury is garbage outside of abyssea, Tornado Kick and Dragon Kick need footwork to be competitive, and footwork murders dps))
WS vs High Def: 1 (Howling Fist)
WS that are strong vs Both: none
Merit WS: Shijin Spiral is competitive with/stronger than Asuran vs Low Def, and soundly trounces Howling Fist vs High Def, giving non vere mnks access to their first WS that is strong vs both

Drk:
WS vs Low Def: 2 (Guillotine, Insurgency)
WS vs High Def: 1 (Spinning Slash)
WS that are strong vs Both: none
Merit WS: Resolution gives great sword the ability to be used in either situation, but entropy is just another guillotine clone that's primarily for low def/utility.

Drg:
WS vs Low Def: 2-3 (Penta Thrust, Drakesbane, Sonic Thrust?)
WS vs High Def: 1-2 (Wheeling Thrust, Sonic Thrust?)
WS that are strong vs Both: 1? (Sonic Thrust)
Merit WS: Stardiver is horrible

Sam:
WS vs Low Def: 3 (Yukikaze, Gekko, Kasha)
WS vs High Def: 3 (Yukikaze, Gekko, Kasha)
WS that are strong vs Both: 3 (Yukikaze, Gekko, Kasha)
Merit WS: Tachi: Shoha is basically YGK put together, and is absurdly strong. Sam doesn't have any "situational" ws aside from using rana to open darkness for gekko.

I threw out empies because all of their empies are vicious WS (except lolquietus and lolcamlann'storment), and relic because all of the relic ws are more utility-for-aftermath ws than actual damage, except for Kaiten which has always been stronger than YGK