Need for DPS - which job is the most damaging?

[scaevola]

DNC not have Evisceration? I must imagine that in my WS slots and macros. But yes, DNC is in the top 3 best solo jobs: DNC SMN and BST; which makes me feel that other jobs need more utility, but certainly not as much as they do.

You are missing the point.

Abyssea is done. DRK does not need a crit weapon skill to shit all over deprecated content.

Also, a rare-ish drop from Bahamut 2.0 can't be compared to a weapon that's not only better for BW/SE but can also be completed literally by killing easy preys, but that's not really the point, either. You say nearly all the important NMs have SE resistance and you might be right, but a whole lot more would have to get resistance if we're going to live in a world where DRKs can KC zerg every twenty minutes. The closer BW gets to an on-demand JA the more game-breaking SE becomes.

Your idea of making BW a randomly-occurring trait effect is actually not bad, though I have a hard time envisioning a situation where such a trait would be useful.

[Dragonlord]

But doesn't Bahamut's Zaghnal, Kraken Scythe, Mercurial Kris (etc etc) all suffer from the same problem that they will not proc with Double Attack or Triple Attack?

If i'm remembering correctly, no. Older oaX weapons like sea weapons proc OA before TA/DA, and only ToM paths suffer from that. However, pre-sea (ridill and merc kris), sea (jailer weapons), and ToM oa weapons all have slightly varying rules, and info on each is hard to find.

[Sappho]

If i'm remembering correctly, no. Older oaX weapons like sea weapons proc OA before TA/DA, and only ToM paths suffer from that. However, pre-sea (ridill and merc kris), sea (jailer weapons), and ToM oa weapons all have slightly varying rules, and info on each is hard to find.

I don't suppose BG or someone has posted stats on which OA weapons are useful with DA/TA?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Jailer weapons proc on DA(TA/QA?), that's the only exception I know of. All others proc after QA/TA/DA last I checked.

[Arcon]

I don't suppose BG or someone has posted stats on which OA weapons are useful with DA/TA?

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Oc...ttacks_X_Times

To my knowledge only virtue stone weapons are an exception (stack with DA/TA), all others behave the same way (as in, DA/TA will overwrite their native effect). However, that doesn't make those weapons less usable, since their average is usually around ~2 attacks/round anyway (notable exceptions being Kraken Club and Quint Spear), it also makes DA have less of an effect than it normally would (only with a Kraken Club or Quint Spear it would be a detrimental effect).

However, DRK doesn't have much Double Attack from gear anyway, and in those zerg situations it can just macro them out, so it shouldn't affect your choice much regardless.

[ApocalypseNow]

This is my first post ever so take it easy on me. Most damage in shortest period of time, I would go with War/Sam with Ukko's. Not only do you post 6-8k with most Fury's but when you chain Fury/Fury the 8k light damage it's sick. Nothing like doing 18-24k damage in 5 seconds. Now use revitalizer/Dustywing/ and rinse repeat Sekkanoki Fury/Fury and you have done around 40k damage in 12 seconds. If you want to extend it more, you use lucid wing along with your meditate and probably do 60k in less then 20 seconds. Actual damage is probably a lot higher because your crits can do up to 3500k with set bonus and aftermath active, and retaliated attacts will do 900-1k damage. Now this is only inside aby. Outside I know it's completely different. To who ever said a Drk can keep up with a Ukko's war in aby, you make me laugh.

[scaevola]

I want to see numbers on RNG with Decoy Shot and an OA2-4 gun.

[Saiken253]

You are missing the point.


Your idea of making BW a randomly-occurring trait effect is actually not bad, though I have a hard time envisioning a situation where such a trait would be useful.

It is sadly a request that DRKs have been making ever since the cap increase :<

[Dragonlord]

This is my first post ever so take it easy on me. Most damage in shortest period of time, I would go with War/Sam with Ukko's. Not only do you post 6-8k with most Fury's but when you chain Fury/Fury the 8k light damage it's sick. Nothing like doing 18-24k damage in 5 seconds. Now use revitalizer/Dustywing/ and rinse repeat Sekkanoki Fury/Fury and you have done around 40k damage in 12 seconds. If you want to extend it more, you use lucid wing along with your meditate and probably do 60k in less then 20 seconds. Actual damage is probably a lot higher because your crits can do up to 3500k with set bonus and aftermath active, and retaliated attacts will do 900-1k damage. Now this is only inside aby. Outside I know it's completely different. To who ever said a Drk can keep up with a Ukko's war in aby, you make me laugh.

I agree with most of your post, however the use of temps opens up a ton of variability. Mostly concerning mythics. The better mythics like kenkonken/ryunohige will benefit more from the tp wings because their oa2-3 bests ODD by far. In addition, their AM lasts longer, so they can produce high dmg for a longer period of time, if we assume temps don't get refilled.

Long story short, talking about temps gets fuzzy unless you give an estimate/average of how often temps will be restored.

p.s. in a zerg situation, SCs don't matter because other's WS will mess it up. In a single person zerg, blu could probably keep up with war due to their 2 hr. I heard good things about dnc w/ rudra's SCs too (SC bonus traits adding to dmg).

One final note, the 3500 crit spikes would be quite rare. assuming AM3 and full AF3 equals (30% crit rate)*(50% AM ODD)*(5% AF ODD)=0.75% of all proccing on 1 hit.

[ApocalypseNow]

Appreciate the feed back. I don't know much about BLU and I haven't actually seen many mythics in action, if have seen any lol. I probably shouldn't post till I see a talented blu use there 2 hour. I did have the oppertunity to see a few relics in action when I joined a shout group for Pil. I was quite impressed even with there damage (they were mostly RNG). I have only been playing 1 year since a 3 year break and I quit right as TOA came out. Question to anyone that might know, is Ukko's better then Bravura or Conqueror?