On Artifact Armor.

[hiko]

I suppose random armor found in the gut of some ugly monster makes more sense.

I already said multiple times what I want, more than one set of gear that has good stats/set bonus that is visually appealing and/or job-defining. We already have those in the form of Artifact and Relic Armor, without creating more random sets. On that note, it does follow the trend to have AF1 upgraded in the same manner as the rest of the old gear in this game.

The questline/lore is important. I think it makes more sense for ancient armor with backstory to be the "best gear" rather than arandom item found in a treasure chest from the Walk of Echoes or something.

3/5 of AF armor are found in tresure chest!

It's not just homam, it's homam, af2, nyzil gear, and salvage gear, plus we already had sky gear augments so why would af1 be left out?

I feel this is SE being cheap, and not being consistant.

because
1)homam, af2, nyzul salvage sky gear were "end game" gears and AF1 were not
2) AF1 already got upgraded

[Seriha]

If you want to play the endgame semantics game, when the cap was 60, AF would've been considered endgame for its time along with things like Roc, Simurgh, Serket, and Lumberjack. Granted, this is a period most anyone outside of Japan wouldn't know about since NA release came with both Zilart and the 75 cap.

Still, as others have noted, it doesn't take long to get most of these pieces (minus mandatory day/JP midnight waits or moon phase stuff like with RNG), but antiquation and abandonment of content we both paid for and devs spent a lot of time on is a reality if we subscribe to the belief of just washing our hands of it and hoping for something new. Again, there's nothing saying legitimate new content can't be related to these in some way along with other general shinies.

[Greatguardian]

No, I most certainly do not feel that Garrison and Eco-Warrior should still be relevant in 2012.

That's pretty much what this comes down to.

[Seriha]

So, how slippery is that slope of yours?

[Greatguardian]

Almost as slippery as yours, considering you're the one who brought up the 60 cap and tried to call Artifact armor "Endgame".

[Seriha]

Do you use any +1'd gear from Limbus? If so, where's the violent rage about SE using an upgrade system for content a couple years down the line? Strangely enough, Limbus was in no way related to their base piece's original acquisition methods... Curious precedent, that.

[Greatguardian]

One or two pieces. Why only one or two? Because most of the upgrades are insignificant. If that's all this was, and it didn't detract at all from the development of real endgame (hint: not possible), I honestly couldn't care less. Unfortunately, here's the way things look in the real world:

1) Developing a system to dick around with AF1+2 means not developing a system for new gear/rewards/stuff. Straight up. Even if the new event is the same either way, I'd rather get new gear from it than magian upgrades for level 50 armor.

2) No one in this camp, including the OP, is going to be happy with minor upgrades to the existing pieces like AF1+1. They are going to want massive overhauls that make them better than AF3+2 and/or Voidwatch part 1/2 armor. If it doesn't beat AF3+2, it will be deemed worthless. Do you see a problem with this? I do. The flaw is not in level 50 armor being upgraded, per se, it's in level 50 armor suddenly being better than level 90/95/99 armor.

To expand upon this, even if they avoided overpowering AF1+2, what would essentially change? Niche macro pieces will stay niche macro pieces. Nothing is gained. So, why waste time on it? Opportunity cost is a very real thing. If I had the option to hire more people onto the Dev team and help them produce more content, I would. But I don't. Therefore, real priorities have to be assigned to what the team actually works on. AF1 is not a priority.

[MakkotoParinne]

3/5 of AF armor are found in tresure chest!

Not exactly what I mean. There's a difference between armor with backstory and armor that has none.

No one in this camp, including the OP, is going to be happy with minor upgrades to the existing pieces like AF1+1. They are going to want massive overhauls that make them better than AF3+2 and/or Voidwatch part 1/2 armor.

Not super overpowered. On par, if not somewhat less is some regards, with AF3+2, while having a certain stat setting them apart. Just like what they should do with all endgame gear sets that people tried tirelessly to attain (AF1+1 being one of them, and in turn AF1), with slightly different stats for different playstyles.

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On that note, I'm beating a dead horse. It doesn't matter what we say or do: they will be upgraded or they won't. We shall wait and see, and anything else said on the subject is null and void.

[MakkotoParinne]

Gee, wouldn't it be nice if they augmented our level 30 RSE too? I think that'd be swell. They may as well be consistent. 75-52 is only 23 levels, and 52-30 is 22 levels! There's precedent, see!?

I don't know what you mean. I have much more priority for my level 1 RSE to be upgraded, there is NOTHING else I want more.

[Greatguardian]

And we're back at square 1. If you don't want Af1 to be overpowered, you just want it to be best at "something", preferably relating to the job.

Okay.

Temple Cyclas: Best Chakra body
Temple Gloves: Best Boost gloves
Temple Crown: Best Focus head
Temple Gaiters: Best Dodge feet
Temple Hose +1: Best Guard legs

Hm. Maybe Monk is a fluke.

Gallant Leggings: Best Shield Skill feet AND Best Holy Circle feet (goes from 15% to 17% damage bonus)
Gallant Coronet: Best Cover head
Gallant Breeches +1: Best Phalanx legs

Oh dear. What is this? Uhhh, maybe a mage then,

Warlock's Chapeau: Best Fast Cast head
Warlock's Tabard: Best Enfeebling Magic Skill body
Warlock's Tights +1: Best Enhancing Magic Skill legs
Warlock's Gloves +1: Best Parrying Skill hands
Warlock's Boots +1: Best Shield Skill feet

Well, shit.