Thief's knife upgrade

[Karbuncle]

Late responding, but hey, not like I'm interrupting vital and intelligent discussion at this point. It was a rhetorical question.

I just think it's funny that a higher amount of Treasure Hunter is being added in a normal slot while Thief's Knife remains a malignant Parrying Knife-shaped growth to most people who really enjoy playing Thief. SE knows people like Treasure Hunter even though it's damned near statistically irrelevant. SE seemingly wants Treasure Hunter to grow with Thief. But...SE still hates every living thing enough to leave Thief's Knife as it is.

Also, sorry to hear about your poor luck with groups. I imagine I'll sympathize with that even more soon when I'm playing regularly again, updating my stuffs, and inevitably shopping for a Voidwatch group. Fortunately for me, I'm mostly on White Mage so others generally suffer due to my retardation rather than vise versa.

I like your reason for editing. Also, Ignoring the E-thug with the ironic Character model, I think this thread is fun to read.

[CapriciousOne]

1. You are like a troll idiot savant. Let's assume for a second that you actually do use your fellow for some kind of old school wisteria lumber farming or something lol. Using your fellow is fine and all but in any mass farming situation using a TK will net you less drops than any reasonable offhand dagger because you are trading a noticeable increase in kill speed for an unnoticeable increase in drop rates. It's a dumb thing to do if you have your fellow out or not. You are willingly imposing a gimp on yourself and your supposed farming session that you have been saying we have the freedom of choice to not impose on ourselves. That's some next level shit.


2. You do know that already exists right? Since if you lowered the TH on TK it would be TH +0 which is the same as the better offhand daggers we already have. (In before TH +0.5)

1. Ok I dont know how you have your fellow set up or how you do and personally I dont care. In any case even when farming trash mobs for drop I usually have a stack of meat mithkabobs handy to boost my damgage output and kill speed. In addition to that my fellow is using a great katana i traded her which has a delay on average about 2x that of a 200 delay dagger. Sure I could go with a polearm which has a delay of about 2 regular 190 delay dagger but I like the skill chain options of the katana better than the polearm which I also do with my fellow to increase the damage. Between all that and facing mobs that are about decent challenge to my fellow which is about 72-80 to my level 90 thief damage loss is miniscule to me but apparently I have a higher tolerance for damage loss plus I'm never in a rush when I play this game because I schedule time to do things. In addition some mobs actually have higher drop rates than others as well even in the same family of mobs. For instance, say you farming lizard eggs one would be better off farming them from the lizards in Crawler's nest than say the ones out Cape Terrigan. On average they drop like 2 or 3 per kill even without TH procing and the same could be said of other mobs if any of you bothered to look it up. Unfortunate drop rates for some items are just horrible no matter how u cut it with or without TH. I also made it a point to say I dont even use the knife anyway like 20 posts ago but when I did that is how I did it, take it or leave it no need to be a jerk all your life.

2. Allow me to rephrase for you then the overall effectiveness of the dagger may no longer give you a starting level of TH 4 by having it equipped but rather TH 3.5 if they do increase the damage of it. Hell it may even still say Treasure Hunter+1 but may not even factor into the starting level of TH anymore when they increase the damage knowing how jacked up SE thinks. In any case you are just arguing for arguing sake but whatever. Essentially the player base attitude combined with SE need to artificially control the game aspects is the biggest probelm with everything. The way SE does TH is supposedly trying to control the AH and prices etc when the market will correct itself on its own by the law of supply and demand. SE is essentially given the AH a government sponsored bailout instead of letting the market bottom out and recover on its own and hence why TH is in such crisis. Anyway it doesnt matter I'm tired of people just trying to push their populace agenda anyway. The bottom line is that for most gear in game you have to give up something to gain its benefits because that is how SE likes it and will continue to shove down your throats. In a party I am willing to sacrfice my damage out put for the good of the party because that is my job. Even solo that is fine because usually whatever I'm farming doesn't take long to kill anyway and I often get multiple drops of stuff anyway to make up for the killspeed. If I have a problem with that I just leave the party and fly solo or just do a low man with buddies, simple.

All I hear is ego, ego, and more ego so I really dont listen to you people anymore anyway.

[Insaniac]

Why can't I quit you?

[Greatguardian]

Well, hopefully you know how to multiquote, considering even the RDM forums came together and collectively bitchslapped you for coming in and posting 5+ times in a row while leaving absolutely no clue as to who/what you were responding to.

[Arcon]

Why can't I quit you?

If only :\

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Makes perfect sense.

Listen, it's very simple. If you think we're that stupid, why are you still talking? Even if you truly believe you're not an idiot (which I believe that you believe), you have got to realize by now that there's nothing you can possibly say to convince us of that. We think you're a bottomless barrel filled to the brim with stupid. Every single word you said, every hint of your attitude and your reasoning and researching skills has convinced us you're a moron. You've worked very hard to get where you are in our minds, and the results show. So why are you still talking? Just blacklist all of us and call it a day. Put your cardboard Optical Crown with Treasure Hunter on and declare yourself king of the internet arguments, we're cool with that. But if you keep posting, you will keep provoking replies, so don't blame us for derailing this thread and getting it locked again.

[FrankReynolds]

The problem is that he actually wants to derail the thread, he is just here to ruin useful discussions. I personally recommend that everyone just put him on ignore and report his troll posts as intentional griefing. He has yet to add anything useful to the conversation. Let him satisfy his craving for negative attention somewhere else. /ignore.

[LeaderofAtlantis]

I think 1 thing they could do is at least let us do Fields of Valor augments to it. I'd actually like to have that be at least 1 option for all older Rare/EX gear from NMs. It seems like this would be the easiest thing to do for them and then add a Magian Trial later for it.

[Sappho]

Now I'm going to sound like a troll, but I'm just an ignorant player trying to understand.

If Thief's Knife is as useless as the discussion makes it seem, then why does it still sell like hotcakes on the AH?

Are there just lots of ignorant players who do not know any better?

[Arcon]

Now I'm going to sound like a troll, but I'm just an ignorant player trying to understand.

If Thief's Knife is as useless as the discussion makes it seem, then why does it still sell like hotcakes on the AH?

Are there just lots of ignorant players who do not know any better?

Three reasons, first of all, it still has its uses when fighting NMs. The reason for this is, since you want as high TH as possible on it, so you have it equipped at the beginning of the fight, do one move on the NM and then unequip it again. This works, and you'll lose some damage due to swapping weapons, but no one is complaining about that, since it happens once a fight and doesn't take much out of the whole thing (even though it can still be annoying, especially when you do multiple same NM fights, like in Abyssea). This is not possible (or at least not feasible) during farming fights, like Abyssea trigger farming or Dynamis, because mobs die too fast and you'd be losing an averagely high amount of TP every fight, overall gimping your damage immensely. It would even be better to keep it equipped, however, even that takes so much out of your damage, that you can achieve more by just equipping a real dagger and killing faster (TH5 to TH6 difference is negligible). So it can be useful, for the right kind of fight, namely when you want highest possible TH on (rare NM fights, where every % counts).

The second reason why it's still selling is simply because there's many people starting up THF again. THF received a short burst of popularity with Abyssea, so there's many new/noob players picking up THF, so there's an overall increase in dagger sales.

The third reason is simply because most people don't know yet, don't know just how useless higher level TH really is. Previous tests have shown very little increase past TH2 (which is even subbable). But people simply don't know. They think the higher the TH, the better. As we've even discussed in this thread, there's still leaders out there who force their THFs to fulltime it for events, simply because they either don't know the TH bonus or even simple TH mechanics (also demonstrated by some people arguing in here).

The Thief's Knife isn't completely useless, but it suffers from a game mechanic that wasn't designed to deal with this kind of ability. This augment belongs on equipment that doesn't correspond to a fixed DD slot.

[Sappho]

The third reason is simply because most people don't know yet, don't know just how useless higher level TH really is. Previous tests have shown very little increase past TH2 (which is even subbable). But people simply don't know.

Do you know, off-hand, a link to some TH research?
I'd love to see the math that goes on behind the scenes.
I do have THF leveled up, but I only use it for personal farming.