Thief's knife upgrade

[FrankReynolds]

Huh?
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Just an example of the type of tards great mentioned above when he said :

There are still people who think that moonphases affect crafting and macros are for chumps and try-hards.

[SpankWustler]

I don't know how exactly to answer this, Because I'm not sure the question or if its even a question at me >_> but even Asslets getting +2 TH Still means We'll get a base of +7 and be forced to Deepthroat that level 70 Abomination.

Late responding, but hey, not like I'm interrupting vital and intelligent discussion at this point. It was a rhetorical question.

I just think it's funny that a higher amount of Treasure Hunter is being added in a normal slot while Thief's Knife remains a malignant Parrying Knife-shaped growth to most people who really enjoy playing Thief. SE knows people like Treasure Hunter even though it's damned near statistically irrelevant. SE seemingly wants Treasure Hunter to grow with Thief. But...SE still hates every living thing enough to leave Thief's Knife as it is.

Also, sorry to hear about your poor luck with groups. I imagine I'll sympathize with that even more soon when I'm playing regularly again, updating my stuffs, and inevitably shopping for a Voidwatch group. Fortunately for me, I'm mostly on White Mage so others generally suffer due to my retardation rather than vise versa.

[CapriciousOne]

This is the entire reasoning behind the request. actually. When we have a choice, 99% of us are smart enough to simply dequip the THF's knife knowing its not worth the sacrifice.

but most of us do not have such a choice. Its during events and what have you, where we're either forced to wear it, Or we don't come THF. Or during multi-kill Events like Dynamis. A lot of people do have the pleasure of working with people smart enough to not worry about the 1 extra TH that won't likely matter by the end of the kill (Because of TH upgrades...), But a lot of us don't have that luxury either.

And Its not really a huge problem We've mentioned that, in fact comparatively its very under-talked about here. The discussion keeping this alive is really only a feel people trying to explain all of this. Most of the conversation regarding this is "I don't understand" vs "Here, let us try to explain".

Its not like we're demanding it happen right now, We're making suggestions for the future. Some time in the future, As 29 Levels out of Date is getting out of hand. it was gimp at level 75, Its just that much gimper now.

Again, Not a super-dooper pressing issue. Simply something that most of us believe should be looked into in the future. Which is why we made these suggestions, and as a core, why these forums exist. Suggestions

Personally you all do have a choice but are too scared to face the consequences of it or to lazy to commit to the choice. There is plenty of theifs that feel the knife is useless and also have other jobs leveled up to 90 and beyond. So simply put one could grow a pair and take a stand and not use if one is so adamant about it and just deal with the end result since at worst case scenario you will get kicked out which leads me to the next point. START YOUR OWN . If you feel your leader is such a nimrod and doesnt understand how useless the knife is, wont consider anything else, and you know other people in the shell who feel the same way and have other jobs leveled up, snatch them and form a shell together.

Bottom line if the dps suffered is really as horrible as you guys make it seem (which i disagree that it is), and you feel so strongly about it than one should be willing to put their behind on the line. If it doesnt matter enough to you to risk getting kicked off the shell or just not allowed into end game stuff, the please quit whining and just deal with it as always.

While yes it is nice to maybe have these ideas given to us it still wont ever change the real source of this problem as many other problems on other jobs..... the PLAYERBASE. The only real way to change that is to stop going along just to get along if you really feel that strongly about it. A better solution would be to increase all the other non-weapon TH gear from TH +1 to TH+2 for each piece, eliminating the piece altogether. Another solution to increase kill speed, at least outside of abyssea, is to just get and use your adventuring fellow as fierce attacker or soothing healer depending on your play style in the interim.

Finally I forget who said it or how it was said but it doesnt really matter anyway but these threads are more than just a rubber stamp approval list or petition for ideas. Any developer worth their weight wants to hear both sides of an issue to get a general consensus of where the community stands. The fact that the mods or so oblivious to the bullying tactics being used to effectively try to silence any detractors. Simply put if your position is valid and reason and has legs to stand on its own merits such tactics aren't even necessary so it is obvious to me that it doesnt. It is complete bull to see how mods react to people defending theirselves to people standing up against these bullying tactics but do nothing to address the people doing the actual bullying. While we are all supposed to be adults and "mature" about discussing some people need to be taught a little class goes a long way to get your point across.

[Greatguardian]

Get out.

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[FrankReynolds]

derp derp derp.

NIce try. Now go away.

[Insaniac]

Use your adventuring fellow? Only after equipping it with an O-hat for extra TH right? TROLLOLOLOLOLOL.

[CapriciousOne]

NIce try. Now go away.

You said that before yet here I am again....hmmm

In any case simply put SE rarely gives us exactly what we ask for and exactly how we ask for it.

Usually one of these following things will happen:
1. We get the damage upgrade to the knife but the TH level of the knife will be downgraded
2. We dont get the damage upgrade but instead the TH level is raised on the knife
3. We get both the damage boost on the knife and the TH level remains the same but it comes at the cost of say Evasion down effect, WS damage reduction, or TP reduction.

When will people realize SE doesnt care that much about American fan base satisfaction with the game nearly as much as they want to retain their vision of the game and keeping the Japanese fan base happy.

[CapriciousOne]

Use your adventuring fellow? Only after equipping it with an O-hat for extra TH right? TROLLOLOLOLOLOL.

Aw how cute single-digit is trying to make a joke. Farming with your fellow if done right levels it up as well as speeds up the kill rate when solo farming. Currently my fellow is level 80 and any mobs level 80-90 makes it level up faster while i farm stuff. Only downside is that SE refuses to allow fellows the same level of access to areas that ordinary automatons and charmed/jug pets can access. Apparently one more reason I disklike this game now but it does help with farming whle keeping the ratty Thief's knife equipped in other areas.

[Babekeke]

You said that before yet here I am again....hmmm

In any case simply put SE rarely gives us exactly what we ask for and exactly how we ask for it.

Usually one of these following things will happen:
1. We get the damage upgrade to the knife but the TH level of the knife will be downgraded
2. We dont get the damage upgrade but instead the TH level is raised on the knife
3. We get both the damage boost on the knife and the TH level remains the same but it comes at the cost of say Evasion down effect, WS damage reduction, or TP reduction.

When will people realize SE doesnt care that much about American fan base satisfaction with the game nearly as much as they want to retain their vision of the game and keeping the Japanese fan base happy.

Aw how cute single-digit is trying to make a joke. Farming with your fellow if done right levels it up as well as speeds up the kill rate when solo farming. Currently my fellow is level 80 and any mobs level 80-90 makes it level up faster while i farm stuff. Only downside is that SE refuses to allow fellows the same level of access to areas that ordinary automatons and charmed/jug pets can access. Apparently one more reason I disklike this game now but it does help with farming whle keeping the ratty Thief's knife equipped in other areas.

This is how to multi-quote a thread:

#1 click the icon bottom-right of a speech bubble and a + sign of the first post you want to quote.
#2 repeat #1 for all other posts you want to quote, until you reach the last one (if you click the last one too it doesn't matter though).
#3 click 'reply with quote' button on the last thread that you want to quote.

Unless of course you're doing it solely to try and boost your post count, in which case, crack on. I've personally stopped reading most of what you say now anyway.

[Insaniac]

Aw how cute single-digit is trying to make a joke. Farming with your fellow if done right levels it up as well as speeds up the kill rate when solo farming. Currently my fellow is level 80 and any mobs level 80-90 makes it level up faster while i farm stuff. Only downside is that SE refuses to allow fellows the same level of access to areas that ordinary automatons and charmed/jug pets can access. Apparently one more reason I disklike this game now but it does help with farming whle keeping the ratty Thief's knife equipped in other areas.

You are like a troll idiot savant. Let's assume for a second that you actually do use your fellow for some kind of old school wisteria lumber farming or something lol. Using your fellow is fine and all but in any mass farming situation using a TK will net you less drops than any reasonable offhand dagger because you are trading a noticeable increase in kill speed for an unnoticeable increase in drop rates. It's a dumb thing to do if you have your fellow out or not. You are willingly imposing a gimp on yourself and your supposed farming session that you have been saying we have the freedom of choice to not impose on ourselves. That's some next level shit.

1. We get the damage upgrade to the knife but the TH level of the knife will be downgraded

You do know that already exists right? Since if you lowered the TH on TK it would be TH +0 which is the same as the better offhand daggers we already have. (In before TH +0.5)