Thief's knife upgrade

[FrankReynolds]

I'm not a troll because despite your position being different from mine, I haven't strayed from the topic which is DPS loss from using a low damage dagger. The namecalling isn't necessary.

I don't see the damage lost being significant because it doesn't save you any great amount of time. You might have saved a few minutes over the course of a month if you never had to equip the dagger before proc. You will never wipe to a raged HNM because you missed out on a bit of damage at the beginning of an encounter.


I'm guessing that because it's been the same for nearly a decade that people have given up on it, but if you want to fix the issue then you don't need a new knife, you need to fix the mechanic.



This community cracks me up sometimes. It's like you're not allowed to have an opinion unless you have some 'constructive criticism' to support it even when people can agree with what you said. Fair enough, here goes...

Dear SE,

Please add a buff to TH that actually makes it do something. Anything is better than nothing but since everyone seems to agree that DPS is the problem, that's a good starting point.

I propose that when a THF procs TH on a mob they are granted a buff that increases [insert DPS buff here*] by a percentage equal to the amount of stacks applied. (*Crit rate, crit damage, WS damage, Regain tics ect.)

In this way us THF who gimp ourselves to whore out our TH get a buff which will allow us to recover the damage we would have lost by not using a proper gear set.

Problem solved? Not hardly, but at least the DPS gripe goes away.

Just curious but why isn't anyone calling for replacements to all of the TH+ gear? Yes your knife makes you dump TP on occasion and limits the damage you do, but isn't the rest of your TH+ gear gimp compared to what you would be using as well? Why stop with the knife? It clearly isn't the problem.


In dynamis, pretty much all you need is the trait. !! proc is exponentially better than TH procs.


Hindsight. I probably should have said something like "hardly worth losing sleep over". What I meant was crying over spilled milk because it really isn't that big a deal. I wasn't implying that anyone who disagrees is emo and curls up into a ball.

Anyhow, I don't think my logic is infallible but based on TH testing already done and my suspicion about DPS/Time / Lost/Saved it seems like a solid stance from here.

Look... for the sake of everyone who is attempting to follow this thread, just assume that we all know how much damage we lose by swapping. We all know we can just refuse to use the knife. We all know how little the knife does. We all know how much the knife affects drops. We all know when killing faster >= landing another tier of treasure hunter. We all know that people are dumb for asking us to use it most of the time. We all know that there are other things wrong with Thief.

We still want the dagger replaced / improved.

You say it's not important, and yet here you are posting over and over. It seems to me that you know this thing bugs the crap out of people, and you have nothing better to do than bother them.

[Greatguardian]

Honestly, at this point, I'd just post a large PSA (on real ffxi websites, of course) for ls leaders informing them that making people use Thief's Knife is back-asswards retarded and they should probably /breaklinkshell if they want to insist on continuing to do it. That does seem to be the root of the problem, no?

Really. It's a lot easier, and more effective, for the community to get together and call a leader a bloody moron than for a member of the shell to do so. This is one of the few things I miss about having Thorny around on BG. He definitely wasn't afraid to denounce shit like this.

[Karbuncle]

If Thorny taught us anything, its that no matter how many PSA you make, Or how well know it is.

Idiots find a way. They won't listen. If Idiots listened, There wouldn't be any today. Sadly i feel the only solution that will truly rid us of the problem is a true replacement that isn't a weapon.

But i mean, By all means, make the PSA >_> It can only help

[Greatguardian]

Ha, I doubt one I'd personally make would do much good. I know enough about general mechanics and TH testing to know that Thief's Knife is a waste, but I don't even have THF leveled past 30 and I don't really have much firsthand experience with the job or its situation in the current metagame. Besides, on these forums at least, most people are trained to filter out the vast majority of what I say.

I mean, I know the idiot population will never listen to reason. There are still people who think that moonphases affect crafting and macros are for chumps and try-hards. I just figure that, in general, avoiding people who are that dumb is second nature to most experienced players by this point - especially when those people are put into leadership roles. Honestly, at this point, I've been a sack or a shellholder in shells for so long (practically the entire history of the game itself), that I doubt I'd be able to really understand being a normal pearl in general. But is the game's community situation so bad now that solid players have no other option than to take orders from people so dense?

That's sad. My weekend VW shell is still recruiting, too. From my perspective, finding solid members is a vicious battle. On my server, shells have been very competitive about personnel. I've definitely lost a couple good members to more active shells that were just able to make them better offers. The vast majority of solid players are already established in shells. Hell, my primary linkshell was very well established, but we've been inactive for nearly a year now after Abyssea pretty much demolished our existing system. Whenever a solid freelance player pops up, it's practically a race to see which shell can grab them first and hold onto them, heh. It's a shame.

[FrankReynolds]

hah, just the other day i clicked a link to a youtube video of a guy who was using spellcast, but no macros. He was going through the spell list for every spell on BLM. Full gear swaps, no macros. pure genius.

[Zirael]

hah, just the other day i clicked a link to a youtube video of a guy who was using spellcast, but no macros. He was going through the spell list for every spell on BLM. Full gear swaps, no macros. pure genius.

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[Karbuncle]

Whenever a solid freelance player pops up, it's practically a race to see which shell can grab them first and hold onto them, heh. It's a shame.

My reasons to stay on Asura get less and less every day... Maybe i can join you x.x

[Greatguardian]

My reasons to stay on Asura get less and less every day... Maybe i can join you x.x

Ha, I certainly wouldn't mind. Fair warning though, the majority of my playtime (and thus VW event time) is on weekends while school's in session, lol. We get shit done, but we aren't always on on weekdays or in the shell if we are. I don't care about exclusivity, so most of my members use my shell as an augment to their existing ones rather than as a fulltime one (aside from the other students). ElectricMayhem (a general Endgame shell which I'm also a sack in) will hopefully pick up weekday evenings (11pm Est) again once 99 comes around and Endgame events solidify.

I could point you in the direction of good weekday shells in most timezones, though, and could pretty easily get you into EM whenever it picks back up if you wanted.

[Karbuncle]

I'll probably give that some consideration.

I work Monday~Friday from Noon to 9PM so, not like i'm very active during weekdays either. Most of my play time is weekend

[Babekeke]

I was fighting Blanga yesterday, and we had thf nin whm blm/brd. On one occasion, it was the BLU proc so we didn't get yellow, but I had got TH10 on it.
Not a single seal dropped.
My friends who had been out there a while before I got there did comment on how when farming the garguoyles for the Benumbed Eye pop item, there was an awful lot of crap dropping from them that they hadn't even seen before (Garguoyle Shanks and Iridium Ingots). Just seems to show that THF's Knife isn't just inv-1... it's inv- lots of crap drops.

I'm starting to believe that /THF, atma of the dread, and taru sash is all that is required. Which is sad really.