lolRelic Weapon? SE what have you done?

[Rambus]

There was a few gilshare or currecy share dynamis shells out there, but for every one of of those there was atleast 10 or more that were currency to the leader and everyone else, junky crap that droped, and they were even lucky to even get those scraps.

A dynamis linkshell can share with every AND EACH member in the shell a 100+ currency or 1-3 million profit share a month with 30+ member shells. Including allowing drops to go where ever and to who ever needs them. Thats after all runs hourglass was coverd.

do you even have a clue what goes on? how are you going to split 200-1000 coins ( IF CITY!) gl getting coins from dreamland to give 30+ memebers 1-3 million gil?

2 times a week times 4 weeks = 8 mil just for glasses average 400 coins per run ( a bit high end if you ask me)

3200 coins, = 41 600 000 if you assume bronze (13k ea on my server)

33 Mil profit Margin or about 1.1 M per month if i take your 30 memeber number ( and lol at that)

If you mean 30 back when it was 1 Mil per glass that profit spread is even worse since that would 41 M-16M =25 Mil witch is around 833k per member in a 30 memeber shell

do you honestly know whats going on? there was even a point in the game where it was HARD TO BRAKE EVEN , there was a time in the game where glasses where 1 M and you got 5-7k per coin, 8k maybe tops.

It is still hard to brake even on dreamland zones, and a bit lesser exent bastok, people buy those for 4-5k ea atm lol ><.

When you do dreamland you have to assume a loss in gil otherwise you may run out of money in overall planning

running shells is not easy, relics are not easy ( some money hungery small ls that sells off homan and salage gear back in hayday could bring in tons of money may find them easy, or selling AB leech spots and so on)

I also love how people attack relic users and say nothing about mythics, mythics are harder to get and needs more fixing then relics need.

[Laotzu]

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propblem with this is that game =/= RL

there is no reason why a weapon thats easier to get outdoes weapons that are harder to get, esp when you are talking about weapons that can take years of investment vs 1 to 2 weeks.

I do not difine progress in a game that lets new weapons that takes 1-2 weaks to do that are new outdo weapons that can take years.

The only reason people like you want emp weapons to outdo relics is to laugh and show up relic users which is not right. I have no problem with allowing weapons with the concept of "poor's man relic" but they should not be outdoing them.

People like me don't want to laugh at relic weapon holders, some (not all) of them worked their asses off for the gear they got and I have much respect for that. My personal opinion is, though, that with progress comes new, better things like Emp. Weapons, AF3 and the new gear that may come later, it's all part of the game.

The relic weapons were added years ago, the system was conceived at a time when the game was still pretty young and the time investment was, to SE at the time, adequate. The game has shifted to be more casual-friendly and this is reflected in the way newer weapons are obtained.

Also about the game =/= rl crap... I used the steam vs Electricity comment as an example of how it sounded to me, I don't really care whether the game is not real life or vice versa, stupidity is same anywhere.

[GERM]

Mythics are harder to get then relic.. most relic weapons just require currency and a couple fights in dynamis where as mythics require you to do nyzule isle fights, have the merc rank kill 3 mega bosses get the ichor from einjar and above that get the alexandrite..
Relic weapons aren't going to get beffed their nerfing hardness in obtaining currency by allowing daily entry and above that the mobs that you have to kill will be nerfed do to the raised level cap so by pushing "staples easy button" again isnt probably going to happen.. This is something that people will argue about a lot with the raise of level caps and what nots.. "oh i worked so hard to get this and this other item is far superior cant you improve my item more" the fact of the matter is you all obtained said item when it was difficult to get, you used it at its peak of power and there are just other things that will be better out there now but they are at least giving people the option to improve an item beyond its base lvl 75 use..

do you even have a clue what goes on? how are you going to split 200-1000 coins ( IF CITY!) gl getting coins from dreamland to give 30+ memebers 1-3 million gil?

2 times a week times 4 weeks = 8 mil just for glasses average 400 coins per run ( a bit high end if you ask me)

3200 coins, = 41 600 000 if you assume bronze (13k ea on my server)

33 Mil profit Margin or about 1.1 M per month if i take your 30 memeber number ( and lol at that)

If you mean 30 back when it was 1 Mil per glass that profit spread is even worse since that would 41 M-16M =25 Mil witch is around 833k per member in a 30 memeber shell

This is a pretty reasonable formula too I even consider 400 coins a run high end I see 150-300 depending on the night and drops so yeah you figure all that plus the number of members you can get up to 800k a MONTH depending on attendance as well in my shell.. and you figure the time you spend in dynamis a month 3 hours a night 2 nights a week average 4 weeks a month thats 3x2=6x4=24 hours a month and basing that off of 800k gil 800,000/24= thats 33k an hour which is good but not that great considering you can make that being a key master in abyssea with items that drop @ 10/hr that sell from 3-15k to an NPC.. and you can spend larger quantities of time say 10 hours a day 3 days a week if you want and make a min of 900k in those 3 days and have the rest of your month to do whatever you want.. so there is a trade off and remember now its going to be a daily possibility to enter dynamis but not all the details are out, is it still going to be 3 hours a day or will it be unlimited? will you have to have stones as well or just basic time frame that was normally allowed?

[Alhanelem]

There was a few gilshare or currecy share dynamis shells out there, but for every one of of those there was atleast 10 or more that were currency to the leader and everyone else, junky crap that droped, and they were even lucky to even get those scraps.

Stop making it sound like those people were treated horribly and felt like slaves. They were also getting the gear they wanted, which is hardly "scraps." And usually this was smaller shells of mainly friends who were perfectly OK with pushing someones relic- because they understood that was the only way to complete one in a reasonable time frame, all gil aside. Even if you had 10 billion gil, it would take a lot longer if you had to buy most/all of it from bazaars. Now, there were some groups where the relic-goer didn't give two farts about who was helping him, but stop making it sound like that was a majority of cases. I've helped a number of people get their relics, and in all cases but one, that person remained with the group long after and helped more people make that achievement and what's more, everyone was happy to be there. And note: While I did start a relic, I was never a sponsor.

[Rambus]

Mythics are harder to get then relic.. most relic weapons just require currency and a couple fights in dynamis where as mythics require you to do nyzule isle fights, have the merc rank kill 3 mega bosses get the ichor from einjar and above that get the alexandrite..
Relic weapons aren't going to get beffed their nerfing hardness in obtaining currency by allowing daily entry and above that the mobs that you have to kill will be nerfed do to the raised level cap so by pushing "staples easy button" again isnt probably going to happen.. This is something that people will argue about a lot with the raise of level caps and what nots.. "oh i worked so hard to get this and this other item is far superior cant you improve my item more" the fact of the matter is you all obtained said item when it was difficult to get, you used it at its peak of power and there are just other things that will be better out there now but they are at least giving people the option to improve an item beyond its base lvl 75 use..



This is a pretty reasonable formula too I even consider 400 coins a run high end I see 150-300 depending on the night and drops so yeah you figure all that plus the number of members you can get up to 800k a MONTH depending on attendance as well in my shell.. and you figure the time you spend in dynamis a month 3 hours a night 2 nights a week average 4 weeks a month thats 3x2=6x4=24 hours a month and basing that off of 800k gil 800,000/24= thats 33k an hour which is good but not that great considering you can make that being a key master in abyssea with items that drop @ 10/hr that sell from 3-15k to an NPC.. and you can spend larger quantities of time say 10 hours a day 3 days a week if you want and make a min of 900k in those 3 days and have the rest of your month to do whatever you want.. so there is a trade off and remember now its going to be a daily possibility to enter dynamis but not all the details are out, is it still going to be 3 hours a day or will it be unlimited? will you have to have stones as well or just basic time frame that was normally allowed?

about mythics, that was the problem since they where out, SE said they made mythics to be second to relics.

They cost too much and the original cost was 50 000 which is way absurd even the 30 000 now is still absurd when SE stated it was suppose to be more quest based.
I really think anyone saying emps should be best is out of their mind. If you say emps are suppose to be best, you combine that with what SE said ealier when mythics came out it would be:

Emp >relic> mythic

Who would be that crazy to make a mythic then? There would be no point of making a mythic.

The only mythics that really should be made are staff for SMN and club for WHM, which makes no sense.

Short story:
Relics need to be buffed
Mythics need to be buffed.
Mythics need to be easier to get ( at lest lower the cost because the current cost does not go with a weapon intended of being quest based)
Atma buffs like razed ruin are overpowered and the main reason the emp weapons are overpowered.

It makes no sense to make emps the strongest weapons in the game, they are TOO EASY TO GET for that title, just because new weapons come out they should atomically be better?

if you make emps the best weapons that means there would be NO REASON make new mythics and relics, and mythics are rare enough in getting made department.

keep in mind my little "fomula" was to show that Bahamut's statments are wayyyyy out there.

[Michaeluk]

I'm glad they got rid of that most unfair unbalanced Relic Weapon crap.

Reic weapons should never have been put in the game and so time consuming

It created alot of elitest that wanted use people for dynamis and give them nothing in return, greed, hate, and alot of arguing text that I could have done without

90% of people who got a relic weapon, either A. Crapped on people to get them, or B. Bought gil to buy currency to get them. SO IM GLAD YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVE!

When I would see people with Relic Weapons, I wouldnt go, ohhhh awww its someone uber. I would go, ohhh ahhh an elitist jerk who ripped peoples time off or ohhhh ahhhhh a rich kid who stole his parents credit card.

CONGRATULATIONS, ABOUT TIME SE CRAPPED ON THOSE WHO CRAPPED ON OTHERS.

Wow so much anger, go spew your rubbish elsewere dumbo. Let me guess you didn't own and wouldn't ever get a relic to damn lazy to work on one so you blame others and spew that nonsense above to make your worthless existance feel better.

[Rambus]

Yes Bahamut made igornet comments for whatever reason I do not know but try not to name call, hate to have ti locked cuz of him. (look how i pointed out why is statments where igornet)

Only reason I am posting agin is to stress mythics, if you drop all the costs the redoing assults alone makes you wait 50 days or almost 2 months. There is no reason to take that much time getting a weapon like a mythic for it to be that weak when you compare them to other weapons.

even back at 75 only ones that should be made (because they are real impovement to thier jobs, some mythics are weaker then normal weapons or magain weapons that where out at 75/80)
where SMN staff, WHM club, and COR gun. now that emp gun is out your left with SMN staff and whm club.

mythics need big fixing since they came out and SE been ingoring them. you put that on top of SE saying relic > mythic, there is no reason why emp should out do ether.

(for the love of god take MAB off weapons as nuking stats and put potences so it otudoes magain [ and at 75 ele staffs where better then mythics])

the only reason emps are this strong is because SE forgot balance it making things, there is a lot of balance issues SE neglected since lefting to 80 and this is one of them.

[Boldheart]

You can do the same with Emp Wpn... Just /sh in Jeuno people will sale you any ra/ex item... If you are talking about gil buying then this game is pointless...

I believe most relic owner worked hard on their weapon; those b00b relic owners are likely have bought the account from others; or got from friends. As before lvl75 cap raised, I don't believe you can 'buy' a team to fight the relic NM. You can buy all coins but not the NM... you have to make a team...

This is not true my +2 Para dagger (occ att 2-4 times) 22dmg took forever to get and I didnt use gil for it. I had to go thru 3 sets of NM's 3 times but here comes the fun part. Had to kill probably around 4-5k mobs atleast to obtain this dagger and it's not even Empryean weapon but best sub dagger i will say in game. Relic is hard to get, but it's alot of having the right friends and setting the right dynamis' and obtaining the ancient money to get it. I guess Empryean might be the upgrade to the old relicweapons.

[Rambus]

This is not true my +2 Para dagger (occ att 2-4 times) 22dmg took forever to get and I didnt use gil for it. I had to go thru 3 sets of NM's 3 times but here comes the fun part. Had to kill probably around 4-5k mobs atleast to obtain this dagger and it's not even Empryean weapon but best sub dagger i will say in game. Relic is hard to get, but it's alot of having the right friends and setting the right dynamis' and obtaining the ancient money to get it. I guess Empryean might be the upgrade to the old relicweapons.

it isn't, never was, i guess its ok for a cure bombing dnc, please for the love of god say you didnt get it for thf

[GERM]

They cost too much and the original cost was 50 000 which is way absurd even the 30 000 now is still absurd when SE stated it was suppose to be more quest based.
I really think anyone saying emps should be best is out of their mind. If you say emps are suppose to be best, you combine that with what SE said ealier when mythics came out it would be:

I forgot they reduced the cost of alexandrite for those but yeah 30k is still a lot considering they don't drop off of just any mob regularly..
The mythic ive seen is the BRD dagger and I love what they did with the buffs on it.. which is probably one of the best BRD daggers ive seen out there