New Roadmap and FFXI's direction

[Leonlionheart]

It won't die so long as there is a market for the plates similar to how Dynamis is still active because there is a huge market for the currency. Unlike salvage it's simple enough to just spam a high tier VW mob all day for plates. People don't do Salvage for alaxandrites because there really aren't that many Mythic upgraders to begin with and it's a fairly complex event compared to Dynamis and VW.

Can do a salvage run in 50 minutes, unlike Dynamis or VW(most of the time). Not only that, but unless the level 99 Emp is amazing, there will be no market. There's only one right now because there are rich players who don't mind dropping 150m for 2 stats and 3 damage. I only know of 5 people willing to buy plates on Asura. There are 30ish Ukon owners, don't get me started on all the kannagi and masamunes.

As for saying there is no market for Mythics, they have several of the best weapons in the game. Ryunohige, Conqueror, Ken-Kon-Ken, Yagrush, Nirvana are all clearly, or at the very least debatably better than their relic/empyrean counterparts. The demand would be there if Assault/Ichor/Nyzul costs went down significantly, as those are what keep a lot of people from diving into mythics.

[wish12oz]

I think 1500 metal plates is just fine.

I'm sorry, but I can't take people who hide seriously. Your opinion doesn't mean crap, you probably haven't even done voidwatch, or have a single empyrean. Come back after proving you've done stuff and are working on upgrading empyreans before you chime in with your crap.

[hideka]

So? The old guy in charge thought 30000 alexandrite and ~18000 dynamis currency was OK.

I kinda think we were kidding ourselves if we thought it was going to stay "kill one NM 25-50 times." Apparently this is how they decided to balance the work level of the empyreans against the mythics and relics.

ummm didnt they put tanaka back in charge before the 1500 ironplates update came out? the same guy who made 30000 alex and 180k currencys to begin with ?

[Mahoro]

I think it is.



It won't die so long as there is a market for the plates similar to how Dynamis is still active because there is a huge market for the currency. Unlike salvage it's simple enough to just spam a high tier VW mob all day for plates. People don't do Salvage for alaxandrites because there really aren't that many Mythic upgraders to begin with and it's a fairly complex event compared to Dynamis and VW.

Yeah, VW isn't dying anytime soon (although I dearly wish the loot system did). And why would it die when the people who lead the runs get their gear? Stuff drops at such a low rate that other people will just replace them. Have /shouts for Abyssea died just because the people shouting a year ago got their Emps/gear? Nope.

[Leonlionheart]

It's not really that low of a rate if you spam it.

1/42 Radiant Mail
1/28 Mekira Meikogeki

Just go do it and you'll get the drop pretty quickly if your group doesn't suck

Not to mention once better gear comes out people will stop doing it pretty conclusively.

[Pebe]

However, the new content is voidwatch also, so technically people won't stop doing voidwatch, but move onto the next tier. I highly highly highly expected SE to put heavy metal plates in the low tiers of VW III, just how silver mirrors are in T4 VW I and TI VW II. And then most likely the final empyrean upgrade stuff will come from VW III T4(or whatever) and beyond.

I personally do voidwatch alot and I don't think 1500 is that rediculous, although I wouldn't complain if it was lowered. For instance: When I do 4 T3 zilart runs, the group usually get a total of anywhere from like 3 to 10 pouches. Now imagine if as a linkshell event you did 16 Uptalas in a night. 4 runs of 4. And lets say each run dropped 5 pouches average. 20 pouches. Now lets say there was a system in place where the members gave there plates to the a member upgrading their empyrean in the order the linkshell had the made the empyreans. You would knock out 200 plates in just 16 uptalas. This is assuming you get an average of at least 1.25 pouches per T3 kill and the pouches had an average of 10 plates. It will probably be a little lower than this. If you do it this way, you can finish a person about every 7 lses of zilart voidwatch. Which really isn't tooo horrible. The only thing probably holding people back in this case would be voidstones. You burn through them fast~ With the drop rates of the zilart VW weapons, you would probably have to 50 to 100 t3 zilart VWs even to see one of the hq weapons pop up unless you were really lucky. Also knowing voidwatch's drop system, you would probably need alot of runs just get everyone the none extremely rare gear they wanted.

Furthermore, in comparison to the requirements of relics and mythics, I think the 1500 plates isn't that bad even if you bought all the plates considering the cost. It would 450 mil to make a mythic just buying alexandrite on my server, and then you still need to do all the other crap. relics are a little moore feasible now. With the heavy plate stage as it is currently, I would say the work to get a relic and empyrean to 95 are about equal. Which is fine imo because the empyrean relic argument of which is better keeps going back and forth. However, mythics still probably take 3 times the work as relic and empyreans if not more. So mythics better be godly at 99.

Edit: Even if you did jueno voidwatch T3, i know someone who is 0/150+ on his body. You usually get anywhere from 5 to 10 single plates from accross the alliance (not really sure of this estimate, because everyone doesn't say everytime thgey got a plate.) But, yea, it adds up.

[Leonlionheart]

Unless new VW has higher drop rates and it's gear doesn't get outdated at 99, then what you're saying is correct.

Though, idk if I can believe you considering there is no T4 Jeuno or Zilart yet...

[Atomic_Skull]

I'm sorry, but I can't take people who hide seriously. Your opinion doesn't mean crap, you probably haven't even done voidwatch, or have a single empyrean. Come back after proving you've done stuff and are working on upgrading empyreans before you chime in with your crap.

In addition to an empyrean I have a Mandau and I'm halfway to completing my second relic. Not going to name the other two because it might identify me..

And yes I have done VW. You can spam the mob all day and getting lights isn't as hard as people make it out to be if you bring enough jobs to cover everything and people communicate. It will be even easier once the changes SE has talked about take effect.

Maybe if popping it ate your Stratum Abyssite and you had to re climb the tiers to pop it again you would have something actually worth complaining about. But really you're just whining because VW isn't herp derp easy mode like Abyssea was.

[Leonlionheart]

In addition to an empyrean I have a Mandau and I'm halfway to completing my second relic. Not going to name the other two because it might identify me..

And yes I have done VW. You can spam the mob all day and getting lights isn't as hard as people make it out to be if you bring enough jobs to cover everything and people communicate. It will be even easier once the changes SE has talked about take effect.

Maybe if popping it ate your Stratum Abyssite and you had to re climb the tiers to pop it again you would have something actually worth complaining about. But really you're just whining because VW isn't herp derp easy mode like Abyssea was.

POIDH

You're a level 1 red mage loser as far as I'm concerned

[Kimble]

See, they great thing about being anon, is you can lie about everything you have and have done.

The down side is, you have no credibility so people are unlikely to believe you.